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Why Vegeta and Goku seem to have more potential than Gohan
Topic Started: Jun 26 2014, 02:47 PM (5,151 Views)
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The burden of proof would still be on you, though.
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Like I said... I'll admit I'm wrong when I'm proven wrong.

And that has yet to happen.
Edited by Saberoph, Jun 29 2014, 06:49 PM.
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Jun 29 2014, 05:16 PM
How about instead of calling what I say far fetched, actually proving me wrong and showing me that a Director has Nothing to do with the script.

Also, in Batman and Robin Joel Schumacher had to do what the studio wanted. If you watch it with the commentary on, he flat out says the studio wanted all the stupid crap we saw in that movie.
You're claiming what we are saying is far-fetched without proof yourself. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me. We were told that Toriyama practically wrote the script, and the movie came into being. We are going off what we know, not conjectural beliefs. Also, has Toriyama claimed the film was tampered with like Joel Schumacher did with his movie? No? Then your assumptions are baseless. Honestly, to me, it just seems like your trying to find any excuse you can to retcon this because you don't like it. I could be wrong, but what other reason is there?
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http://www.filmmakers.com/features/director/director8.htm

I looked on four different sites, and I've found the same thing. When I was looking for tips to start writing a script, this site was the most helpful to me, so I trust it.

The Director is over the writers, like I've said many times and are known to hire other people in to doctor up the script and sin't credited for it.

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The only reason I haven't posted this sooner, was mainly due to how my computer was acting up, so I've had to post on here from my phone. I should have said something so I wouldn't seem like I was talking out of my a***... which at times it seems like I do.
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That is great and all, but you still haven't provided evidence that Battle of Gods was edited in the script to screen transition. Even if it was, that doesn't chance the conosity of the film for other reasons I have already provided, which again, you are failing to address. If it's so non canon, why does Toriyama continually incorporate Beerus into his own stuff?
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When did AT do that with Beerus?

Being serious too.
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Please provide proof that the director had any involvement in the script and then we'll talk.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-june-2014-issue-twel-buu-mysteries/

Here's Akira Toriyama's interview where he says Beerus did in fact seal Old Kaioshin inside the Z-Sword.
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Jun 29 2014, 08:19 PM
When did AT do that with Beerus?

Being serious too.
I'd have to dig through the translation archives on Kanzenshuu, but an example would be Toriyama claiming Beerus was the one that trapped Ol' Kaioshin in the Z-Sword.
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Ja, I hate to take sides here because I don't favor the movie being canon to the manga myself, but Prince has done his fair share of providing the evidence for his case. Bringing in examples from other movies and franchises is fine and all, but it doesn't actually prove anything about this movie's creative process.
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Jun 29 2014, 09:01 PM
Please provide proof that the director had any involvement in the script and then we'll talk.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-june-2014-issue-twel-buu-mysteries/

Here's Akira Toriyama's interview where he says Beerus did in fact seal Old Kaioshin inside the Z-Sword.
So, I post a source that shows that a Director is over the writer and you simply ignore it. No, it's your turn... prove to me that a writer doesn't answer to the director? You wanted me to back up my claims, now you do the same.

I'm not saying I'm going by this, but using that logic TOEI referencing Boo in Movie 12 should be canon too, since it's about AT's work with TOEI being involved. Wait... BOG is the same.
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I have very little knowledge in movie making, but this seems like a different case to most movies. Toriyama is the original owner of Dragon Ball, he may not be the director, but it's possible he still had more power than being merely a writer. But like I said, this is no more than an assumption.
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Jun 29 2014, 09:10 PM
Emmeth
Jun 29 2014, 09:01 PM
Please provide proof that the director had any involvement in the script and then we'll talk.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-june-2014-issue-twel-buu-mysteries/

Here's Akira Toriyama's interview where he says Beerus did in fact seal Old Kaioshin inside the Z-Sword.
So, I post a source that shows that a Director is over the writer and you simply ignore it. No, it's your turn... prove to me that a writer doesn't answer to the director? You wanted me to back up my claims, now you do the same.
It's not proof since it's not related to this movie. Sorry, but your source isn't enough.
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I said back your claim, not dismiss mine.

If you can't back up your claim that a writer doesn't answer to the director, then you're no different from a troll.

I at least provided something... unlike you.
Batman Arkham Games Discussion.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8487015/1/
Q&A With Me.
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Dragon Ball Game Talk.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8410747/1/
Dragon Ball Game Talk 2.0
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8543860/1/
My Broli Idea.
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8716209&t=8374201
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Jun 29 2014, 09:15 PM
I said back your claim, not dismiss mine.

If you can't back up your claim that a writer doesn't answer to the director, then you're no different from a troll.

I at least provided something... unlike you.
I don't need to prove anything to you since it's flatout stated that AT wrote the script. Be careful of who you call a troll, sir.

I support Prince in this case, and he has given enough proof.
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If Toriyama had to answer to the director, would he really have been allowed to change the entire script? Keeping just the God elements? And as Emmeth pointed out, Toriyama has stated in interviews that Beerus himelf is at least canon in backstory for the Manga.
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