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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 26 2014, 01:11 AM (5,671 Views) | |
| + Kaboom | Jun 27 2014, 02:22 AM Post #46 |
 
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Something just came to me. I wonder if... - Piccolo senses how strong base Gotenks is now, EXPECTS them to transform, guesses how strong they'd be for it, and gains hope they'll win. - Gotenks futilely tries fighting Boo in base, Piccolo suspects they CAN'T transform after fusing, and begins to lose hope. - Gotenks reveals he CAN transform after all, Piccolo regains his hope. ...Too far-fetched? I dunno. Less so than "Gotenks got ten(s of) times stronger in two weeks with half-hour training sessions," if you ask me. But also more favorable than just discarding the entire exchange as a gag. Because up until that point, I can't remember anything implying that they wouldn't be able to go Super Saiyan after Fusion. Piccolo just suddenly acts like that was the assumption. Edited by Kaboom, Jun 27 2014, 02:25 AM.
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| Vertical | Jun 27 2014, 02:35 AM Post #47 |
 
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He likely assumes they cannot transform because [Pre-RoSaT] Gotenks didn't. Though it is a nice alternative to simply dismissing Piccolo. Not the only alternative and shouldn't influence how you interpret the scene. |
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| + Kyouks | Jun 27 2014, 02:37 AM Post #48 |
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He's nervous because he wonders why they aren't starting as Super Saiyans, so we've got that part down. I wouldn't say he's "rejoicing" in the next scene, simply noting that the kids did the fusion properly while smiling. I'm not really sure what part doesn't make sense. If he were nervous about them fusing in base form and then they turned out to be at whatever level you think they were at, then he'd still be nervous afterwards. Noting that the fusion worked shouldn't change that either, if that's what you were getting at earlier. If he had "mad hope," he wouldn't just lose it in a page after Boo took a couple of punches. "Mad hope" is what Krillin had when he thought Goku was conjuring up a plan against 50% Freeza when in reality he was screwed (which, on a somewhat related note, Piccolo took note of at that time). We also have to keep in mind that well before this fight, Trunks and Goten both believe that they can take on Boo in their normal form. This screams to me that Piccolo's statement is meant to reinforce this one, and gives me more reason to take it for what it is. Havoc, how 'bout Boo's chi being a lie? I can't counter that one, so we both win :) |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 27 2014, 02:40 AM Post #49 |
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ive thought of that kaboom but i dunno piccolo says, '' I didn't know they could go super saiyan after fusing'' he smiles and theres either a surprised or realization mark on the page if anyone has the viz on hand and could find the scene that wold be great, to lazy to find it myself lol kyooks piccolo was pretty happy when the performed fusion, whilst sweating im saying it doesnt make sense cause, at this point piccolo knows theres no hope but doesn't say as so why? that makes no sense, gotenks cant win as base and piccolo is aware of this so what does piccolo think that gotenks has a plan or something or something is up, or like kaboom said had suspicions of gotenks going ssj? and why wouldnt piccolo lose all his hope in one page, when -gotenks was losing the fight, his attacks literally did nothing to super buu -hes goofing off -hes a kid, no maturity so yes this is hope, like kaio had for gohan against fat buu, while goku didnt wanna be rude but he knew gohan couldnt win but kaio was conivned that gohan could, he even says something like '' yes this must be the secret to the power'' just how piccolo says that gotenks might have a chance ............. Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Jun 27 2014, 02:50 AM.
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| + Kaboom | Jun 27 2014, 02:47 AM Post #50 |
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I'm aware, but that's kind of what I'm getting at. He may have simply assumed Gotenks couldn't transform after fusing because he... well, didn't. |
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| SSJ | Jun 27 2014, 03:09 AM Post #51 |
 
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Just thought of a counter to "Gotenks got owned by Boo, so the statements are irrelevant." Yamcha on Super Saiyan Goku: “Wh…what ki…and he’s not even fighting…" If we take a closer look at Boo when he entered the RoSaT, can we really say that he was fighting? He was just walking around with Piccolo, and Yamcha's quote supports his ki being lower than it should be. When he starts to fight with Gotenks, his fighting ki becomes active. This is why he manages to gain the upper hand on Gotenks, and rather easily as well. His resting ki was simply much, much lower than his fighting ki. This is shown by his 100% fighting ki being a match for SSJ 3 Gotenks, who is 400x stronger than Base Gotenks going by SEG. And now to bring in the "Boo's ki is a lie" thing into this. Perhaps because Boo's ki is tough to read, it masks his true fighting ki level. There is no doubt that his resting ki would be active when he entered the RoSaT, but it could have been tough to tell that his fighting ki became active when the battle commenced. Thoughts? Edited by SSJ, Jun 27 2014, 03:11 AM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 27 2014, 03:10 AM Post #52 |
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I'm afraid I don't see what you're getting at Kaboom. Are you saying Piccolo expects them to go SSJ, but isn't sure they can? |
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| + Kyouks | Jun 27 2014, 03:57 AM Post #53 |
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This fanslation I'm thinking of may be a tad inaccurate, but Piccolo's words are something like "At least they did the fusion properly." It appears to be a statement totally unrelated to power (the "at least" at the beginning essentially disregards the power side of the equation), which is why I don't think it really plays any sort of role in this discussion. Well, yeah, I have no problem with that. However, this "mad hope" that we're dealing with is something different entirely. That's hoping when you've been shown that there's no hope left. Desperation, if you will. For instance...witnessing a Base Gotenks who is far below whatever Piccolo felt from Boo at the lookout (which, as you obviously know, is your argument). Or watching Goku constantly get beat down by someone over 20x stronger than him. Or...seeing Gotenks launch a few attacks at Evil Boo to no avail. Well, see, in this situation, Goku's statement casts doubt upon what Kaioshin said, which thereby makes Gohan anything but the strongest in the universe. In the case of Gotenks, we have two statements supporting the Base > SSJ thing, at least one of which is from a reliable source (whom I believe is not blinded by desperation), and we also have the fact that Evil Boo hadn't reached his full power yet, whereas Fat Boo had. Also my post is a little jumbled. Sorry. What about Gotenks' resting chi? >:) |
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| SSJ | Jun 27 2014, 04:03 AM Post #54 |
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He was pretty much active once he fused. |
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| + Kyouks | Jun 27 2014, 04:05 AM Post #55 |
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Are you sure? Reeeeaaalllly sure? So what do you make of Evil Boo's chi when he massacred the human race? Was he active then? Was he suppressed? Where would he be placed at that moment? |
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| SSJ | Jun 27 2014, 04:11 AM Post #56 |
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Most likely resting. He had been sitting on the lookout for some 30 or so minutes looking at an hourglass. I don't think he really went into battle mode to fire off that attack, as the attack wasn't really that powerful. The attack wasn't what was felt from the Kaioshin realm, it was the lack of chi coming from Earth. That leads me to believe that Boo didn't really put much into the attack, he was simply focused on the placement of it. Edited by SSJ, Jun 27 2014, 04:14 AM.
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 27 2014, 04:24 AM Post #57 |
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kyooks, yeah that fanslation is more or less correct, i agree that it has nothing to do with power but as the readers, just in general, why is he happy at all? is the more imminent threat not the fact that gotenks has not powered up yet and then do fusion and not the fact that they performed it successfully, which he already knew they could? about kid trunks saying hes enough for super buu i mean as gotenks they thought they could take on fat buu in base and even thought gohan was almost as strong as gotenks, when we know gohan has a fair advantage at least over him i mean there is some value into what trunks said cause piccolo has a similar thought but both could be deferred to has desperate hope and in trunks case his cockiness but yeah ur right there is some value in the two statements i as a reader felt that gotenks was a bit over ''hyped'' in a sense they made him out to be stronger then he actually was not just cause they kept misreading buu's ki but the whole gotenks having rays of light coming from him the face palming and piccolo looking at the readers, just gave off a weird vibe also to be of very crucial note, once gotenks had transformed buu didnt do anything he just looked at gotenks and said i remember u, i beat u to pieces then gotenks launches his assault in which super buu looks a bit serious and says can i have a turn now, it seems he still had his resting chi at the time, he had not time to react and didnt cause why would super buu have his fighting ki when he already beat his opponent and was smiling at gotenks so if gotenks was a 2 and buu was a 1 gotenks attacked the 1 to no avail, to which in turn piccolo says nevermind we have no hope which would bring gotenks back down no? there is where he was over estimated not super buu cause he hadnt even done anything since the fusion but super buu later on too ofc as for the human massacre, he effortlessly did that so i would say resting Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Jun 27 2014, 04:34 AM.
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| SSJ | Jun 27 2014, 04:27 AM Post #58 |
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Havoc, I agree that it seems as though Boo is resting, but we can't truly know, as his ki is a lie. Kyo was right, the argument is a double edged sword. It could have been his resting ki and it could have been his fighting ki, but I suppose we won't know. For all we know he could have prepared his fighting ki when he punched Trunks. Doubtful, but possible. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jun 27 2014, 04:32 AM Post #59 |
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but at least we got somewhere though does anyone even say that buus ki is a lie or is it just goku? or someone paraphrasing goku cause he complicates things wayyy to much but yeah i doubt super buu started taking things seriously till gotenk went ssj and 100% till ssj 3 |
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| SSJ | Jun 27 2014, 04:35 AM Post #60 |
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Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P10.5-8 Piccolo: “Goku…There’s something I want to ask you while I’ve got the chance…[ ] …That Super Saiyan 3 thing earlier…if you had gone all-out, wouldn’t you have been able to defeat Majin Boo?...How about it, am I wrong?” Goku: “Nah, I don’t know…When it comes to Majin Boo’s strength, it’s like a lie…I think that I probably couldn’t have won…” |
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