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| SSJ | Jun 28 2014, 03:55 AM Post #151 |
 
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SSJ Gotenks didn't prove to me that he was near Boo. His ghosts did, but not himself. |
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Jun 28 2014, 04:06 AM Post #152 |
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How close is Ssj Gotenks to Buu? |
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| SSJ | Jun 28 2014, 04:14 AM Post #153 |
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Not close at all. His best attack is a head to head collision which obviously was going to hurt Boo. Other than that, his wickedly powerful ghosts were the only reason why the battle seemed "even". Gotenks failed to rip a hole in the dimension which Boo was capable of doing without powering up. SSJ 3 = 8x SSJ (SEG) and Boo would be near the SSJ 3 level of Gotenks. Considering that Gotenks couldn't make the hole without going SSJ 3, it leads me to believe that he should be multiple times weaker than Boo. The scream to get out of the dimension was a simple kiai, there is nothing fancy about it. Boo could do it, Gotenks could not. Not only this, but Boo doesn't seem to take the fight seriously at all. When Gotenks surrounds Boo with his rings, Boo goes as far as to pretend that he is stuck in them. Yet he is clearly just playing around, and is easily able to break through them. That's a huge feat in my opinion, considering that his mobility was pretty much non existent, and he was being held in by ki. Yet he was still able to destroy the ring as if it was nothing at all. So yeah, I don't know if I'm alone in this belief, but I think SSJ Gotenks is a good 7x weaker than Boo. Considering nothing happens in the fight in Gotenks' favour aside from the ghosts, I have no reason to consider him anything special. |
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| Saberoph | Jun 28 2014, 04:19 AM Post #154 |
 
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A thought just popped in my head... Could the Fusion Multiplies be based on both users Potential? I know that would make a lot in the series based on Potential, but I wouldn't have a problem with that. |
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Jun 28 2014, 04:30 AM Post #155 |
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I think Buu did power up. He never showed any power like that before. If he didn't power up, he wasn't using anywhere near his effort, but at that level Ssj Gotenks could effect him. Sort of like how Raditz adjusts his effort throughout his fight with Goku and Piccolo. Same thing with Freeza vs Vegeta, adjusting his speed and power as necessary and same for Cell vs Goku and Gohan. Same ki and speed but raises and lowers it depending on his need. You don't need to power up, to increase your power. Sometimes you just need to increase your effort. |
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| SSJ | Jun 28 2014, 04:40 AM Post #156 |
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Is Boo ever putting effort in though? Look at his face.  After this, Gotenks gets in the head-butt attack which I already mentioned, and then it's purely down to the ghosts. Boo doesn't show to be straining himself too much ever, in fact it looks like he's just having a good time. If you compare this to when he fought SSJ 3 Gotenks, you can see what he looks like when he actually tries. |
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Jun 28 2014, 04:47 AM Post #157 |
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Yea he is not putting in any effort. Just like how Freeza whooped Vegeta. Gohan broke out of Buutenks Galactic Donut. That move is pretty weak. And that's pretty much my point. This is a very low percentage of his power, he doesn't have to exert himself hardly at all to use this level. Think of it like his base power. Then when he's angry, he just goes all out.
Edited by p123, Jun 28 2014, 04:48 AM.
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| SSJ | Jun 28 2014, 04:50 AM Post #158 |
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Then we are in agreement are we not? I agree with your connections to Raditz and Freeza, but they only feed my viewpoint. Boo didn't have to power up at all to increase his power level, because he was already at his max. He just wasn't demonstrating his max while inside of the RoSaT, he was just having fun. When he produces a kiai to escape the RoSaT, there is no power up and his ki does not rise. He just uses more effort. Therefore he should be a lot stronger than SSJ Gotenks, because he was generally unaffected by him while holding back. |
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Jun 28 2014, 04:56 AM Post #159 |
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Well that's the thing. Not using your effort and then using it feels like a power up to the ki sensors. It's basically the same as human being. Let's say you are fighting a young kid. You probably aren't going to be tensed up or on your guard or anything right? So you play around and you can easily beat the kid up with say 10% of your power. Then all of a sudden the kid cracks you with a really good punch that you weren't expecting. Even though you aren't necessarily suppressing your power like we would think of, that punch is going to actually hurt you a whole lot. Imagine if you are sleeping and some 10 year old punches you as hard as he can. That s*** will hurt! Yet if you were in battle mode, in a life and death fight with someone larger than you and received that same punch, you wouldn't even feel it. Adrenaline is crazy like that. In this instance, ki is adrenaline. Does that make sense at all? |
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| + Kyouks | Jun 28 2014, 05:01 AM Post #160 |
 
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So how small is your SSJ3 multiplier, Q? |
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| SSJ | Jun 28 2014, 05:12 AM Post #161 |
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Sure, and it's not that I don't understand where you're coming from, I just don't see it here. I think Piccolo comments on Boo's ki when he ripped the dimension because Boo hadn't used his ki yet. Boo had only been using physical attacks, and like you said, not putting much into them. When he decides to release an amped kiai, that is when his ki becomes noticed. Does that mean he powers up? Not necessarily. A largely amped kiai will make anybody appear to be much stronger, the same was seen with Oob in the 28th Budokai. So basically I still feel as though he was at one level during the whole battle. He doesn't do much of anything against Base or SSJ Gotenks, and nobody is surprised when he is a match for SSJ 3 Gotenks. Don't you think this should play a factor into things? Piccolo is not surprised that SSJ 3 Gotenks was as strong as Boo, and he knows exactly how SSJ 3 can amplify your ki. So tell me, if SSJ Gotenks was remotely close to Boo, why wouldn't Piccolo, or even Gotenks be surprised when the battle was nearly even? Also I think we are all forgetting a very important piece of information. Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P2.6-9, P3.1-3 Context: after they reach Super Saiyan 3 as Gotenks for the first time Trunks: “Haah…haah…Hey…! We did it!” Goten: “Y-yeah! Haah, haah…Amazing! To think that there’s something above Super Saiyan…!” Trunks: “We can definitely win like this…! Hihihi…Everyone will flip their lids…!” Goten: “…But that tires you out…I feel like we used aa~~aall our power up at once…” Trunks: “…But its weak point is time…See…We’re only able to become it for about 5 minutes…Then even our Fusion comes undone and we turn back into two people…” Goten: “That’s no problem. We’ll become the way we were right off the bat! Even with just 5 minutes, we’ll definitely be able to take care of [Boo]!” The initial plan was to start off the fight in SSJ 3, not SSJ and not Base. Notice how they never say that they can defeat Boo with SSJ? It is as if they already knew prior to the fight that SSJ 3 was what they needed to win. The whole plan was to play around with Boo in Base and SSJ and then turn SSJ 3 as the grand finale. They already knew that they needed it, which tells me that they knew Boo's strength. If they knew he could only be defeated with their most powerful form, Boo must have been at that level of power the whole time. Kyo: 4x Edited by SSJ, Jun 28 2014, 05:14 AM.
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| + Kyouks | Jun 28 2014, 05:15 AM Post #162 |
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So how big is the....Semi Cell/16 gap? 10x? 15x? |
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Jun 28 2014, 05:17 AM Post #163 |
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They said Regular Fusion was on par against Buu, play around like they cant win and then bam finish him off with Ssj3. Piccolo and Gotenks had no idea how strong Buu was until he went all out to get out of the Rosat. We are talking about a dimensional piercing power vs a non dimensional piercing power. Gotenks and Piccolo had no idea Buu had all that power in him. |
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| + Kyouks | Jun 28 2014, 05:22 AM Post #164 |
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Ssj Gotenks pre > base Gotenks post then. |
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| SSJ | Jun 28 2014, 05:23 AM Post #165 |
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Why is that relevant? And no, that's not my belief at all.
How so? I'm not disagreeing with Base > SSJ at all there. |
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