Does Vegeta's Namek power increase after Recoome make any sense?

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Does Vegeta's Namek power increase after Recoome make any sense?
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+ Pelador	Jun 26 2014, 01:08 AM Post #1
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	So after Vegeta eats a Sensu bean during the Ginyu fight, he's able to two shot Jeice. He takes a short nap and then somehow he is equal with Freeza's first form. He literally goes from about 45,000 to 530,000. Goku's Zenkai is just as stupid thinking about it. 90,000 to 4 million is it? Until then every zenkai has boosted their power by a few thousand at most. Doesn't add up to me.
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~~p123~~	Jun 26 2014, 01:17 AM Post #2
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	Out of universe, zenkais are just a means to an end. The plot required the characters to match up against this ridiculously powerful enemy. In universe, as Vegeta said, they passed the Saiyan limits and now they are entering a Super Saiyan state. The body is desperate to get to a Super Saiyan level and it is pushing the zenkais into overdrive. I think Vegeta's Zenkai is probably close to 10x and Goku's is close to 100x. Somewhere around that.



~~King Kakarot~~	Jun 26 2014, 01:26 AM Post #3
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	you would think saiyans on planet vegeta would abuse zenkai's



~~p123~~	Jun 26 2014, 01:32 AM Post #4
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	It seems like that at first, but when you really think about it, it would be really hard. First off, not having sensu beans makes this whole thing nearly impossible. If you have been beaten to the brink of death, well I don't think your enemy is going to allow you to walk off to your healing chamber. Krillen would have killed Vegeta if it was not for Goku telling him not to. Generally if you are within range of getting a zenkai, your opponent is most likely going to kill you anyway. Also, Saiyans have the Great Ape transformation. They generally time their attacks with when the moon will be out so they can transform. The Saiyans are a warrior race and are very strong across the universe. Their aren't many people who can contend with the humanoid form of the Saiyan, let alone the Great Ape form. Not only that, the Saiyans are teamed up with Freeza, the ruler of the universe. So all the strong people are on the Saiyans side and the likelihood of anyone even beating them is pretty slim. The Saiyans take small groups and go conquer entire planets. It takes a while to kill everyone but they are generally not all that challenged. And when they are, more times than not they are dead. Do you know how lucky you have to be, to be at the brink of death and not die? It is a truly rare scenario which was abused by the characters in Z, but in the past, it wouldn't have been something that could have been abused like that.



Muyasuki	Jun 26 2014, 03:11 AM Post #5
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	King Kakarot Jun 26 2014, 01:26 AM you would think saiyans on planet vegeta would abuse zenkai's Who says they didn't? It just seems much more likely that Goku is/was an outlier and that passed on to his children. Something on Earth changed Vegeta's physiology so that the same could apply to him. Its very likely zenkai gains where incredibly modest for every other saiyan.



Mike XL	Jun 26 2014, 05:34 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	Vegetas Zenkai makes a lot more sense than Goku going from 90,000 to 3 million or whatever. Where did the Goku vs Freeza 150,000,000 vs 120,000,000 PL numbers come from anyway? Because I have a hard time buying that unless it came from Toriyama



+ Pelador	Jun 26 2014, 06:03 PM Post #7
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I don't think they are exact numbers. More like estimations based on statements given about percentages of full power used at various points. Plus I think there were some filler episodes where some aliens at planet Freeza were using a computer that gave those numbers too. Not canon of course but why would they pull those numbers out of their asses if they weren't accurate to the manga?
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+ Clearin	Jun 26 2014, 06:05 PM Post #8
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Mike XL Jun 26 2014, 05:34 PM Vegetas Zenkai makes a lot more sense than Goku going from 90,000 to 3 million or whatever. Where did the Goku vs Freeza 150,000,000 vs 120,000,000 PL numbers come from anyway? Because I have a hard time buying that unless it came from Toriyama Daizenshuu, I believe.



Mike XL	Jun 26 2014, 06:05 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	Pelador Jun 26 2014, 06:03 PM I don't think they are exact numbers. More like estimations based on statements given about percentages of full power used at various points. Plus I think there were some filler episodes where some aliens at planet Freeza were using a computer that gave those numbers too. Not canon of course but why would they pull those numbers out of their asses if they weren't accurate to the manga? Well, just because they don't outright contradict the manga doesn't mean their necessarily cannon



+ Pelador	Jun 26 2014, 06:37 PM Post #10
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	They aren't canon because it was filler but they support most estimates.
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~~p123~~	Jun 26 2014, 06:48 PM Post #11
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	I think 150/120 make sense for when Goku quit against Freeza and said he had weakened too much and he quit because he wasn't a challenge anymore.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jun 27 2014, 02:19 AM Post #12
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Pelador Jun 26 2014, 01:08 AM So after Vegeta eats a Sensu bean during the Ginyu fight, he's able to two shot Jeice. He takes a short nap and then somehow he is equal with Freeza's first form. He literally goes from about 45,000 to 530,000. Goku's Zenkai is just as stupid thinking about it. 90,000 to 4 million is it? Until then every zenkai has boosted their power by a few thousand at most. Doesn't add up to me. I have this theory that his full zenkai didn't kick in until his nap.
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+ Kaboom	Jun 27 2014, 02:30 AM Post #13
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Clearin Jun 26 2014, 06:05 PM Mike XL Jun 26 2014, 05:34 PM Vegetas Zenkai makes a lot more sense than Goku going from 90,000 to 3 million or whatever. Where did the Goku vs Freeza 150,000,000 vs 120,000,000 PL numbers come from anyway? Because I have a hard time buying that unless it came from Toriyama Daizenshuu, I believe. Yep, Goku and Freeza's full power numbers were first listed in Daizenshuu #7, and reprinted in a handful of later guidebooks.



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