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Where do you have Kid Boo?; ... and questions about SSj3
Topic Started: Jun 24 2014, 03:31 PM (2,107 Views)
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Kid Buu is around as strong as SSJ3 Goku, whom is far weaker than Evil Buu.
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vegeta thinks that goku can take kid buu sure
but during there bout vegeta also realizes that these guys are on a different level and says as much and not just compared to himeself which was glaringly obvious at this point

vegeta having already witnessed goku and fat buu fight from other world, and sensed ssj 3 goku when he turned against buuhan and vegeta was rushing to the scene, says that the current fight(goku vs kid buu), that the fighters are stronger then he could imagine

goku is just so amazing now that he wasnt before at buuhan or fat buu
and its not just the fact that vegeta is up close, cause the ki output of both of the fighteres are so amazing that
it could be told apart far and away and the fact that vegeta has laready sensed goku fairly close when he was @buuhan

its obvious that goku would have won the fight if he was dead but he couldnt cause of well stamina and not being dead
but as far as comparing buu's and fighters, i wouldnt place a huge gap between everyone given
the last few comments and the way the storys was going towards near the end of the buu saga

if u strictly take the early and middle of this saga into account thats what u get(huge gaps) but with the ending of the buu saga, in my mind it paints a clearer picture
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There's no evidence Vegeta sensed Super Saiyan 3 Goku, hence why he wanted to see it for himself against Pure Boo.
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Jun 24 2014, 05:41 PM
What about the saying "Buu's ki is a lie?" line?
Boo's ki was a lie when he was being suppressed or powered up by other beings. Now he is pure, meaning his ki is as well.
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kp, vegeta was on his wayy back to earth theres a short time where goku is ssj3
against buuhan, its more then likely he did cause hes on earth like the very next scene

to add vegeta after goku is fighting kid buu says that there stronger then he had imagined
where did vegeta get his first reading?
by simply guessing?
more likely he had already sensed goku once if not twice
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Jun 25 2014, 03:27 AM
kp, vegeta was on his wayy back to earth theres a short time where goku is ssj3
against buuhan, its more then likely he did cause hes on earth like the very next scene

to add vegeta after goku is fighting kid buu says that there stronger then he had imagined
where did vegeta get his first reading?
by simply guessing?
more likely he had already sensed goku once if not twice
>fights Fat Boo, gets whooped
>fights Pure Boo, gets whooped even worse
>Goku fights said Boo evenly

"yuz stronger den i imaginationed!!'

I wonder why Vegeta wanted to see the form if he already saw and sensed it...
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regardless of earlier placements the story says that there stronger then imaginable by vegeta
why would AT even have vegeta say that why not, wow goku ur soo much stronger then me or wow ur strong
and not stronger then IMAGINABLE lololol
goku and fat buu fought suppressed that much is known, hence the not going all out and goku saying ''playing''
that could be any degree of not ''full strength'' right there, goku could be down much lower then fat buu is who is a bumbling fool who prolly wasnt even suppressed but didnt fight with all his might whislt goku a master was

if goku is at x placement at any point in the saga it is changed here by literally this fight and a few statements
and kid buu too, goku acts in this saga as if fat buu was literally no problem, he flat out says he could have won no
hesitation no ifs ands or buts but then why would kiddy be only be a bit stronger then fat buu?
who in returns is losing to goku by a fair amount, until stamina loses throughout fight?

goku gooes from
fat buu=> goku
(actually at the time)
goku >> fat buu
to
goku>kidbuu>>>fat buu
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Jun 25 2014, 03:51 AM
regardless of earlier placements the story says that there stronger then imaginable by vegeta
why would AT even have vegeta say that why not, wow goku ur soo much stronger then me or wow ur strong
and not stronger then IMAGINABLE lololol
goku and fat buu fought suppressed that much is known, hence the not going all out and goku saying ''playing''
that could be any degree of not ''full strength'' right there, goku could be down much lower then fat buu is who is a bumbling fool who prolly wasnt even suppressed but didnt fight with all his might whislt goku a master was

if goku is at x placement at any point in the saga it is changed here by literally this fight and a few statements
and kid buu too, goku acts in this saga as if fat buu was literally no problem, he flat out says he could have won no
hesitation no ifs ands or buts but then why would kiddy be only be a bit stronger then fat buu?
who in returns is losing to goku by a fair amount, until stamina loses throughout fight?

goku gooes from
fat buu=> goku
(actually at the time)
goku >> fat buu
to
goku>kidbuu>>>fat buu
I thought we established Goku wasn't "suppressed" against Fat Boo????????????


?

I mean, if you're trying this argument you have to be arguing Goku/Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo, or you're fooling yourself!
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maybe but how could goku not be suppressed against fat buu?
he says ''playing around'' and he says didnt go all out
i have literally given u the definition of that word 5 times now
it was more then likely that he was not at full power .........

i have not saying kid buu or goku are stronger then buuhan or gohan or gotenks i never have and never will
but for some reason u often tell me that i am ......... all i am saying is
just that there not s*** trash that almost everyone claims them to be

AT's word choice and the scenes at hand line up well enough to get the results i have if u have another opinion
that is fine sir
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Jun 25 2014, 04:06 AM
maybe but how could goku not be suppressed against fat buu?
he says ''playing around'' and he says didnt go all out
i have literally given u the definition of that word 5 times now
it was more then likely that he was not at full power .........

i have not saying kid buu or goku are stronger then buuhan or gohan or gotenks i never have and never will
but for some reason u often tell me that i am ......... all i am saying is
just that there not s*** trash that almost everyone claims them to be

AT's word choice and the scenes at hand line up well enough to get the results i have if u have another opinion
that is fine sir
Vegeta's sensed Gohan-Boo. He says Pure Boo and Goku are stronger than he imagined. What else can be argued from that? You're confusing. [insert GIF I'd get yelled at for here]

I've seen your definition five and a half times now, and it's never going to matter because you're going to continue to think Goku can somehow suppress his power in Super Saiyan 3 and I'm going to continue to think he's unable to suppress in a form he hasn't mastered, especially one so draining. We might as just link to every past debate about this because it's not changing. [insert GIF I'd get yelled at for here]

Pork chop sandwiches are done. [insert GIF I'd get yelled at for here]
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Didn't Kakarrot say something to the extent that he still wasn't use to SS3 yet?
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if u dont agree/ignore the definition and the two in manga statements then sure goku cant be supressed

and once again ur mistaking vegetas words for whatever reason
he says that kid buu and goku are stronger then he imagined
meaning he had placement for both and they exceeded there own placing he had for them by a short bout
in which they truly went all out
hes not saying anything about stronger then anyone else
thats what ur saying right now, ur comapring them to buuhan

whats more likely that vegeta said that goku/kid buu are more stronger then buuhan or the placement he had for them
since vegeta sensed them at least a few times each?
i think ur answer will be simple :)
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Jun 25 2014, 04:20 AM
if u dont agree/ignore the definition and the two in manga statements then sure goku cant be supressed

and once again ur mistaking vegetas words for whatever reason
he says that kid buu and goku are stronger then he imagined
meaning he had placement for both and they exceeded there own placing he had for them by a short bout
in which they truly went all out
hes not saying anything about stronger then anyone else
thats what ur saying right now, ur comapring them to buuhan

whats more likely that vegeta said that goku/kid buu are more stronger then buuhan or the placement he had for them
since vegeta sensed them at least a few times each?
i think ur answer will be simple :)
Sir, your subliminal insults are really testing my patience! Grrr! The form was so draining it drained Goku's life force. Bitchin'. Goku stated he was barely used to it. Mmkay. Nobody has ever shown the ability to suppress their power in a form they haven't mastered. Got it. But now Goku magically can, when the odds are stacked against him? Does not compute! But hey, if you don't think pulling punches is a thing like we covered in that one mega topic months ago, we can keep this argument going. I always have fun, at least. [insert GIF I'd be yelled at for here]

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Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P13.1
Context: still talking about how they’re no match for Boo
Goku: “…But there is one way we can win!”
Vegeta: “You want to say Fusion, right? Well who cares about that?!”
Goku: “Huh? You know about it?”
Vegeta: “I saw it from the afterlife…You’ve got to be joking! You think I’d perform those ugly poses…?! Anyway, I thought I told you that I’m not going to merge with you a second time.”


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I had something else written out, but then I found this link again which gives all the basics of my argument.

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1) Vegeta admits witnessing Fusion AND SSJ3. People still argue Goku couldn't be sensed even though we know it reached the Holy Sphere of the Kais which is entirely separate from the cosmos that includes Heaven.

2) Goku could've been lying about not being used to the form and taking the extra time because he was stalling for time. The other two instances he transforms, he does it in an instant. Either Goku was lying, or his little bout with Fat Buu helped him reach new heights with the transformation.

Pick one.
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Is there a quote where Vegeta admits to seeing SS3?
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http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8410747/1/
Dragon Ball Game Talk 2.0
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8543860/1/
My Broli Idea.
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8716209&t=8374201
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