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Black Bolt vs Superman; CURRENT SELVES
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+ Solid Snake	Jun 24 2014, 12:18 AM Post #1
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Which of these super beings win? Bonus - Saiyan saga Vegeta and Goku. EDIT - Quicksilver's top speed is mach 10 FYI and BB caught him. Edited by Solid Snake, Jun 25 2014, 05:25 PM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 25 2014, 05:25 PM Post #16
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	xGOKUdaFALLENx Jun 25 2014, 05:22 PM TConnor_Demonic Jun 25 2014, 05:16 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Jun 25 2014, 05:11 PM TConnor_Demonic Jun 24 2014, 09:44 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Jun 24 2014, 09:30 PM Yes it makes a huge difference, Black Bolt caught even Quicksilver before during a scuffle once. And Roshi and Krillin already did this feat too and Goku with Kaioken can have battles in a single heartbeat. I thought Quicksilver's highest speed was only a few times above Mach 1? I can't see how one can compare the speed between someone who can reach Pluto in a minute compared to someone who can catch someone who can only reach Mach 5 or 6... I'm starting to think you guys don't know the difference between Light Speed and a few times above the speed of sound. Let alone going MFTL. Even if it is accelerating speed, he would have to accelerate at an INCREDIBLE rate in order to reach those speeds in a minute. The speed of Light is 186,000 miles per second, Quicksilver's fastest speed is 3,835 miles per HOUR. I'm not going into a lolcalc, but you get the idea. If Superman had to accelerate to get to such speeds, then getting at such a speed and even further beyond that would mean he would have to reach Quicksilver speeds in less than a second...FAR LESS than a second. For instance if you were to move at Light Speed as a constant and moved from Earth to Pluto you would get there in four hours. Superman got there in a minute...His acceleration rate is INSANE. You do know that one heartbeat from a resting person BARELY is under a second right? Krillin and Roshi's feat is much better. I'm really trying not to turn this into Goku vs Superman - seeing their on the same side - but on your last statement, Goku and Vegeta were not resting. Goku said he was getting excited meaning his blood was pumping more than average. I'm not sure if you honestly understood how much he'd have to be accelerating but I will say that unless Vegeta and Goku have heartbeats that go over 200 BPM they're not going faster than Roshi and Krillin. 220 minus Goku's age would be the fastest his heart could beat. Compare that to 60-70 BPM and the fastest he's going is not even in the milliseconds. Besides, I'm arguing that if Superman is not holding back then there is no way in blue hell that Quicksliver is going to catch him, or Black Bolt. Where you get 60-70 BPM from. That's a usual resting heartbeat rate, as far as I know of for people 10 and up. at 60-70 BPM a heartbeat is BARELY under a second. Edit: Mach 10...that's cute. How are you going to compare Mach 10 to someone who can accelerate to MFTL speeds in a minute? Rofl 7612 Miles an HOUR versus someone who can surpass 186,000 miles a second in a few seconds...if that. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jun 25 2014, 05:36 PM.
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+ Solid Snake	Jun 25 2014, 05:47 PM Post #17
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	TConnor_Demonic Jun 25 2014, 05:25 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Jun 25 2014, 05:22 PM TConnor_Demonic Jun 25 2014, 05:16 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Jun 25 2014, 05:11 PM TConnor_Demonic Jun 24 2014, 09:44 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Jun 24 2014, 09:30 PM Yes it makes a huge difference, Black Bolt caught even Quicksilver before during a scuffle once. And Roshi and Krillin already did this feat too and Goku with Kaioken can have battles in a single heartbeat. I thought Quicksilver's highest speed was only a few times above Mach 1? I can't see how one can compare the speed between someone who can reach Pluto in a minute compared to someone who can catch someone who can only reach Mach 5 or 6... I'm starting to think you guys don't know the difference between Light Speed and a few times above the speed of sound. Let alone going MFTL. Even if it is accelerating speed, he would have to accelerate at an INCREDIBLE rate in order to reach those speeds in a minute. The speed of Light is 186,000 miles per second, Quicksilver's fastest speed is 3,835 miles per HOUR. I'm not going into a lolcalc, but you get the idea. If Superman had to accelerate to get to such speeds, then getting at such a speed and even further beyond that would mean he would have to reach Quicksilver speeds in less than a second...FAR LESS than a second. For instance if you were to move at Light Speed as a constant and moved from Earth to Pluto you would get there in four hours. Superman got there in a minute...His acceleration rate is INSANE. You do know that one heartbeat from a resting person BARELY is under a second right? Krillin and Roshi's feat is much better. I'm really trying not to turn this into Goku vs Superman - seeing their on the same side - but on your last statement, Goku and Vegeta were not resting. Goku said he was getting excited meaning his blood was pumping more than average. I'm not sure if you honestly understood how much he'd have to be accelerating but I will say that unless Vegeta and Goku have heartbeats that go over 200 BPM they're not going faster than Roshi and Krillin. 220 minus Goku's age would be the fastest his heart could beat. Compare that to 60-70 BPM and the fastest he's going is not even in the milliseconds. Besides, I'm arguing that if Superman is not holding back then there is no way in blue hell that Quicksliver is going to catch him, or Black Bolt. Where you get 60-70 BPM from. That's a usual resting heartbeat rate, as far as I know of for people 10 and up. at 60-70 BPM a heartbeat is BARELY under a second. Edit: Mach 10...that's cute. How are you going to compare Mach 10 to someone who can accelerate to MFTL speeds in a minute? Rofl 7612 Miles an HOUR versus someone who can surpass 186,000 miles a second in a few seconds...if that. Don't rofl me mister, anyway Goku and Vegeta should have different patterns.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 25 2014, 05:49 PM Post #18
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	I'm finding it hard to see Goku and Vegeta even being needed at this point...I mean Superman is not going to get touched at all. If what your thoughts on people getting worn down in DC and Marvel through constant punishment is to hold true, then Black Bolt is going to be screwed. It'll be like Flash versus Batman, if Batman didn't have PIS and all other plot devices under his belt.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jun 25 2014, 06:17 PM Post #19
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Superman was outside earths atmosphere so there's no air resistance. He moves much faster in space just like how everything else moves faster in space. I think the rate he accelerates at could've been growing. The moment he takes off he's not accelerating anywhere near fast enough to reach Pluto in a minute if that's really how long it took him. So he can't use that speed in a quick burst to travel short distances like in a fight. Superman could be few times the speed of sound too in a fight. Just my 2 cents on this flying to Pluto feat I don't know much on this blue bolt guy
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 25 2014, 06:24 PM Post #20
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Ssj3vegito96 Jun 25 2014, 06:17 PM Superman was outside earths atmosphere so there's no air resistance. He moves much faster in space just like how everything else moves faster in space. I think the rate he accelerates at could've been growing. The moment he takes off he's not accelerating anywhere near fast enough to reach Pluto in a minute if that's really how long it took him. So he can't use that speed in a quick burst to travel short distances like in a fight. Superman could be few times the speed of sound too in a fight. Just my 2 cents on this flying to Pluto feat I don't know much on this blue bolt guy Well then where are we supposed to put his speed at then? 10 MPH? 1000? 500? As fast as my Grandma with the boots of Hermes?
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jun 25 2014, 06:34 PM Post #21
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	New 52 superman in close combat is definitely not MFTL. Some hypersonic number I guess? I could be be wrong. In long distance travel speed, it's my understanding superman just accelerates forever. Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jun 25 2014, 06:48 PM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 25 2014, 06:48 PM Post #22
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Ssj3vegito96 Jun 25 2014, 06:34 PM New 52 superman in close combat is definitely not MFTL. Some hypersonic number I guess? In long distance travel speed, it's my understanding superman just accelerates forever. If morals are off then his Combat Speed would have to be pretty damn fast. Isn't the reason he never goes all out on Earth with speed because of the damage he could cause? Isn't that why he always reserves his top speeds for space? Meh, oh well. I'll have to wait and see if there's a scan or statement of some sort that tells why he never accelerates like he does in space. If he's capable of accelerating like he does in space then the atmosphere can't be dramatically holding his speed back to where he's only accelerating a few hundred feet a second. This scan (although it's not New 52, it sort of explains why I think he holds himself back on Earth.) Basically there's so many factors that go into moving at high speeds on Earth that he slows himself over highly populated areas to avoid sonic booms and whatnot. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jun 25 2014, 06:59 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jun 25 2014, 06:58 PM Post #23
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Pretty dam fast is vague as hell. I'm not saying he doesn't hold back on earth. He cuts loose in space sure but the lack of air resistance could be helping him. As far as I know new 52 superman is faster than super girl who can have a have a brief "fight" I guess you could call it in a little under a second
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 25 2014, 07:00 PM Post #24
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Thoughts on the scan?
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jun 25 2014, 07:06 PM Post #25
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	He "almost always" slows on earth. So he does cut loose on earth sometimes. Have we seen new 52 superman move lightspeed in short bursts on earth? I haven't at least I think post crisis era superman had nanosecond reaction time on earth multiple times though Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jun 25 2014, 07:08 PM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 25 2014, 07:14 PM Post #26
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Ssj3vegito96 Jun 25 2014, 07:06 PM He "almost always" slows on earth. So he does cut loose on earth sometimes. Have we seen new 52 superman move lightspeed in short bursts on earth? I haven't at least I don't think we have yet, based on the scan apparently whenever he starts going into unpopulated areas he starts ripping trees and whatnot out of the ground. It's why with a battle like this where he can't just simply fly light speed and wipe away the planet (exaggeration, but you get the point), he doesn't have to worry about about things like untold amounts of destruction by cutting loose. Since this is New 52 Superman he has INSANE acceleration rates. Since it takes Light 4 hours to move from Earth to Pluto, Superman getting there in a minute is crazy. He'd have to go hundreds of times the speed of light to accomplish such a feat, I don't find it crazy that if he's cutting loose and even with atmosphere resistance he can go from let's say...1000 Miles Per Hour, to 1000 Miles Per Second as soon as he moves. Which isn't far-fetched given his Earth-Pluto feat.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jun 25 2014, 07:17 PM Post #27
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	I think since he has cut loose on earth, and he didn't reach light speed, then I'm left to think that he is faster in space since he reaches lightspeed pretty fast whenever he's out there. As for N52 superman, I don't have anything against him accelerating that fast on earth Do you have the scan of N52 superman reaching Pluto in a minute? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jun 25 2014, 07:27 PM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 25 2014, 07:29 PM Post #28
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Ssj3vegito96 Jun 25 2014, 07:17 PM Do you have the scan of N52 superman reaching Pluto in a minute? Not sure if you can read the text there, but if you can all the better! Also I guess I have a case of Cosmic Dyslexia lol. From Pluto to Earth LOL.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jun 25 2014, 07:38 PM Post #29
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Oh I think I've seen this before. Doesn't superman accelerate faster and faster though? Something like 1, 5, 20, 85, 200. Know what I mean? So at first when he takes off maybe he's not accelerating very fast? Also, still there's nothing against him going faster in space. I don't think DC usually defies basic physics a lot does it? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jun 25 2014, 07:45 PM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 25 2014, 07:46 PM Post #30
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Ssj3vegito96 Jun 25 2014, 07:38 PM Oh I think I've seen this before. Doesn't he accelerate faster and faster though? Something like 1, 5, 20, 85, 200. Know what I mean? So at first when he takes off maybe he's not accelerating very fast? Also, still there's nothing against him going faster in space. I don't think DC usually defies basic physics a lot does it? I don't know honestly, damn Comic Vine users won't show the entire damn thing...Most say it took him a minute/few minutes. Some A-Holes say instant but those users get slaughtered on site lol. Well...You're talking about a Comic Company where Batman can take punches from Darkseid, Superman can time-travel by flying in the opposite direction of Earth's spin, People that get shocked by lightning somehow get granted access to a dimension of power known as the Speed Force, and Flash can save tens of thousands of people from a Nuclear Explosion as soon as it happens in literally .000001 seconds... I'd say there's some...basic defying of the rules of physics in there. I'm not against the Atmosphere holding him back some, but it shouldn't be some HOLY MOMMA stopping where he suddenly can only accelerate like from 1-100,000 in less than a second in space and can only go from 1-100,000 in a minute on Earth. The problem is I haven't seen any scans saying that the atmosphere slows him down yet, only scans that say he's afraid to go extremely fast near populations of people for fear of killing them by flying by.
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