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can also vegeta get ssj3 during the 7 years period?
Topic Started: Jun 8 2014, 08:10 AM (672 Views)
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as for my understanding, when vegeta has evil in his heart, he is stronger because he is in his natural state. so on earth he has unused power blocked by goodness.

we saw that when Vegeta became under the majin spell, he actually cleared his heart from good and became a his old self again, at least for a short while.
during that time we saw that both goku and majin vegeta were equal on the ssj2 level, meaning they both reached the peak of the power they can get (unless they ascend to ssj3.



so i was wondering if vegeta trained in the other world where the energy is limitless while being evil, could he get to the next level aswell ?
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Vegeta was not allowed to keep his body in otherworld thus He could not train any single momment there

And as ssj3 can only be achieved by training in otherworld he never reached it
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Jun 8 2014, 10:33 AM
And as ssj3 can only be achieved by training in otherworld he never reached it
Uhh... No, this was never made clear.
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Jun 8 2014, 03:05 PM
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Jun 8 2014, 10:33 AM
And as ssj3 can only be achieved by training in otherworld he never reached it
Uhh... No, this was never made clear.
It was made clear that it was not the case as Gotenks turned SSj3 in the RoSaT.
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Jun 8 2014, 03:37 PM
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And as ssj3 can only be achieved by training in otherworld he never reached it
Uhh... No, this was never made clear.
It was made clear that it was not the case as Gotenks turned SSj3 in the RoSaT.
it was never said where are the locations it can be achieved but goku couldnt do it on earth easily because of the lack of energy there.-of that im sure of.
in the otherworld or any other dimension that has infinite or larger amount of energy in the air like ROSAT, it can be achieved (and fast transform).

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but im wondering if he could, it was obvious that in his evil state he mastered ssj2
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Vegeta's power is clearly not hindered by his goodness. Battle of Gods proves this as far as I'm concerned. What made Majin Vegeta stronger than normal Vegeta was the unleashing of his hidden power by Babidi.
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Jun 9 2014, 09:58 AM
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Jun 8 2014, 03:37 PM
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Jun 8 2014, 03:05 PM
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Jun 8 2014, 10:33 AM
And as ssj3 can only be achieved by training in otherworld he never reached it
Uhh... No, this was never made clear.
It was made clear that it was not the case as Gotenks turned SSj3 in the RoSaT.
it was never said where are the locations it can be achieved but goku couldnt do it on earth easily because of the lack of energy there.-of that im sure of.
in the otherworld or any other dimension that has infinite or larger amount of energy in the air like ROSAT, it can be achieved (and fast transform).

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but im wondering if he could, it was obvious that in his evil state he mastered ssj2
All that means is that an initial transformation wouldn't last as long on Earth, it doesn't mean it would make the transformation impossible on Earth.
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I suppose he could have achieved SSJ3 sometime before EoZ. I don't see any reason why he couldn't.
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Nope vegeta can not reach or achieve SSJ3.Vegeta does not have much "latent potential" or "Hidden Power" or "reserves".All of his "latent potential" or "reserves" or "Hidden Power" was "unlocked" by babdi in the form of "Majin".
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Even if he was able to, he'd more than likely experience the same problems Goku and Gotenks encountered in that it's just not possible to sustain the form for extended periods like SSJ and SSJ2.
Actually, given from past experience, he'd probably discover the drawbacks of the form fairly early on...
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It's been a slave theory of mine that Vegeta decided to continue working on Super Saiyan 2 instead of the exhaustive and rather flawed Super Saiyan 3 form, but the response I always get for that is: "Why would Vegeta pass up that big a*** power boost mayn?! IZ YU HIGH ON ROIDS DUDE?" Then that person mysteriously disappears.
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Jun 10 2014, 11:16 AM
It's been a slave theory of mine that Vegeta decided to continue working on Super Saiyan 2 instead of the exhaustive and rather flawed Super Saiyan 3 form, but the response I always get for that is: "Why would Vegeta pass up that big a*** power boost mayn?! IZ YU HIGH ON ROIDS DUDE?" Then that person mysteriously disappears.
I would laugh at this if it weren't so true...
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Jun 10 2014, 11:16 AM
It's been a slave theory of mine that Vegeta decided to continue working on Super Saiyan 2 instead of the exhaustive and rather flawed Super Saiyan 3 form, but the response I always get for that is: "Why would Vegeta pass up that big a*** power boost mayn?! IZ YU HIGH ON ROIDS DUDE?" Then that person mysteriously disappears.
I actually agree with this. We've seen Vegeta deliberately avoid using flawed forms in the past (with Grade 3), even if it would make him stronger in at least one way.
Vegeta seems pretty adept at weighing "risk vs. benefit" when it comes to his power. And with the observable flaws that he saw Goku struggle with during the fight with Boo, I can't see him being too ancy to reach the form himself if he doesn't think that the flaws are worth it.

It's possible that the could transform by the end of the series, just chooses not to ever do it.

Avoidance to using flawed forms isn't new to his character. Trunks strongly suggested that Vegeta knew how to use Grade 3, but avoided using it for the same reasons that Trunks failed to beat Cell.

However, something else worth mentioning is that Toriyama recently stated that Goku probably wouldn't use SSj2 or SSj3 again because they are simply "powered up" variations of the Super Saiyan. I can't imagine Vegeta thinking any different.
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Yeah, mastering SSJ2 would make more sense for Vegeta. I think he would easily see the flaws present in the SSJ3 form.
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