Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 01:53 AM

1-Again, SSJ Vegito is not directly compared to SSJ4 Goku.

2-The SSJ Vegito >= SSJ4 Goku is not so absurd. Goku MV12 said that Fat Janemba possessed the most powerful ki that he ever felt, but he easily kicked his a*** after being SSJ3. So this statement does not necessarily include the person said.

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"After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegito! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegito! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"

Gogetto

 

1) Goku could not merge with Vegeta saw that he was possessed by Baby. So this statement does not make him stronger than SSJ3 Vegito.

2) Following your reasoning, SSJ4 Goku would be even stronger than Vegito (GT), which is impossible.

3) Baby Vegeta is just arrogant. He thought even SSJ4 Goku could beat ... When villain proclaims to be the most powerful in the universe, for example, I personally never take seriously ...

xGOKUdaFALLENx

Jun 8 2014, 02:17 AM

Gogetto

 

1) Goku could not merge with Vegeta saw that he was possessed by Baby. So this statement does not make him stronger than SSJ3 Vegito.

2) Following your reasoning, SSJ4 Goku would be even stronger than Vegito (GT), which is impossible.

3) Baby Vegeta is just arrogant. He thought even SSJ4 Goku could beat ... When villain proclaims to be the most powerful in the universe, for example, I personally never take seriously ...

1) Even so, Goku mentioned either Gohan and Vegeta could have fused with him to beat Fat Buu and yet neither were available. Why can't his later implication now omit Vegeta ?

2) How so? I talking about the highest power he sensed back then (SSJ Vegito), which is now crap compared to Super Baby 2 and SSJ4 Goku.

3) Like Buuhan even though he was never contradicted before Vegito's birth? Like Super Baby and his power up self, before the ascension of Goku?

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 08:05 AM

xGOKUdaFALLENx

Jun 8 2014, 02:17 AM

Gogetto

 

1) Goku could not merge with Vegeta saw that he was possessed by Baby. So this statement does not make him stronger than SSJ3 Vegito.

2) Following your reasoning, SSJ4 Goku would be even stronger than Vegito (GT), which is impossible.

3) Baby Vegeta is just arrogant. He thought even SSJ4 Goku could beat ... When villain proclaims to be the most powerful in the universe, for example, I personally never take seriously ...

1) Even so, Goku mentioned either Gohan and Vegeta could have fused with him to beat Fat Buu and yet neither were available. Why can't his later implication now omit Vegeta ?

2) How so? I talking about the highest power he sensed back then (SSJ Vegito), which is now crap compared to Super Baby 2 and SSJ4 Goku.

3) Like Buuhan even though he was never contradicted before Vegito's birth? Like Super Baby and his power up self, before the ascension of Goku?

You contradict: your first argument is literally telling me that Vegito (GT) and Gokhan (GT) have no chance because Goku said he was their only solution. And now you tell me you're talking about SSJ Vegito (Buu Saga)? Except that if Goku (GT) and Vegeta (GT) merge, it gives Vegito (GT) huh?

As for Baby, I do not pay attention because even if Baby access to the memory of Vegeta, he can not know SSJ3 Vegito because he never existed.

xGOKUdaFALLENx

Jun 8 2014, 11:36 AM

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 08:05 AM

xGOKUdaFALLENx

Jun 8 2014, 02:17 AM

Gogetto

 

1) Goku could not merge with Vegeta saw that he was possessed by Baby. So this statement does not make him stronger than SSJ3 Vegito.

2) Following your reasoning, SSJ4 Goku would be even stronger than Vegito (GT), which is impossible.

3) Baby Vegeta is just arrogant. He thought even SSJ4 Goku could beat ... When villain proclaims to be the most powerful in the universe, for example, I personally never take seriously ...

1) Even so, Goku mentioned either Gohan and Vegeta could have fused with him to beat Fat Buu and yet neither were available. Why can't his later implication now omit Vegeta ?

2) How so? I talking about the highest power he sensed back then (SSJ Vegito), which is now crap compared to Super Baby 2 and SSJ4 Goku.

3) Like Buuhan even though he was never contradicted before Vegito's birth? Like Super Baby and his power up self, before the ascension of Goku?

You contradict: your first argument is literally telling me that Vegito (GT) and Gokhan (GT) have no chance because Goku said he was their only solution. And now you tell me you're talking about SSJ Vegito (Buu Saga)? Except that if Goku (GT) and Vegeta (GT) merge, it gives Vegito (GT) huh?

As for Baby, I do not pay attention because even if Baby access to the memory of Vegeta, he can not know SSJ3 Vegito because he never existed.

It seems contradicting cause our reading it the wrong way.

1) They were Goku's words not mine. Take it as you want buddy.

And you can't ignore Baby cause he too would know how strong Vegito would be as well, regardless if he existed or not.

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 12:57 PM

xGOKUdaFALLENx

Jun 8 2014, 11:36 AM

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 08:05 AM

xGOKUdaFALLENx

Jun 8 2014, 02:17 AM

Gogetto

 

1) Goku could not merge with Vegeta saw that he was possessed by Baby. So this statement does not make him stronger than SSJ3 Vegito.

2) Following your reasoning, SSJ4 Goku would be even stronger than Vegito (GT), which is impossible.

3) Baby Vegeta is just arrogant. He thought even SSJ4 Goku could beat ... When villain proclaims to be the most powerful in the universe, for example, I personally never take seriously ...

1) Even so, Goku mentioned either Gohan and Vegeta could have fused with him to beat Fat Buu and yet neither were available. Why can't his later implication now omit Vegeta ?

2) How so? I talking about the highest power he sensed back then (SSJ Vegito), which is now crap compared to Super Baby 2 and SSJ4 Goku.

3) Like Buuhan even though he was never contradicted before Vegito's birth? Like Super Baby and his power up self, before the ascension of Goku?

You contradict: your first argument is literally telling me that Vegito (GT) and Gokhan (GT) have no chance because Goku said he was their only solution. And now you tell me you're talking about SSJ Vegito (Buu Saga)? Except that if Goku (GT) and Vegeta (GT) merge, it gives Vegito (GT) huh?

As for Baby, I do not pay attention because even if Baby access to the memory of Vegeta, he can not know SSJ3 Vegito because he never existed.

It seems contradicting cause our reading it the wrong way.

1) They were Goku's words not mine. Take it as you want buddy.

And you can't ignore Baby cause he too would know how strong Vegito would be as well, regardless if he existed or not.

-By the words of Goku, I have SBV1> SSJ Vegeto, nothing more.

- Do you really think that Baby is interested in a person who is not physically present? If we follow your reasoning, SBV1 is also stronger than SSJ3 Vegito GT.

Emmeth

Jun 9 2014, 11:27 AM

Actually, Gohan's potential isn't greater than Goku's in GT. I suggest not mixing Z and GT to that extent, since it only causes inconsistencies. When Goku says Baby Vegeta is the strongest he has ever sensed, we can assume he's taking into account SSJ Vegetto and possibly SSJ2 and SSJ3. Personally, I don't believe Vegetto knew SSJ3, but at the very least he probably could go SSJ2.

But this is pure speculation anyway, and besides we are way off-topic already. Unless we can get back on track, I don't see any reason to keep this thread active.

olliebaba

Jun 10 2014, 12:51 AM

Emmeth

Jun 9 2014, 11:27 AM

Actually, Gohan's potential isn't greater than Goku's in GT. I suggest not mixing Z and GT to that extent, since it only causes inconsistencies. When Goku says Baby Vegeta is the strongest he has ever sensed, we can assume he's taking into account SSJ Vegetto and possibly SSJ2 and SSJ3. Personally, I don't believe Vegetto knew SSJ3, but at the very least he probably could go SSJ2.

But this is pure speculation anyway, and besides we are way off-topic already. Unless we can get back on track, I don't see any reason to keep this thread active.

True... if we allow hypothetical fusions / transformations, and then a hypothetical Vegetto from GT would be have to be included in the equation.

If we allow our self to believe in what Goku said years ago (and trying to include Battle of Gods), and then we have to include and assume what Goten said about Baby ("Baby is more powerful than anyone they ever faced) is true also, but the contradiction to the whole power statement is Goten kicked Baby's a*** in base form.

How many of you believe Goten is > Beerus?

Funny isn't it?

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That's a bit out of context. Goten's quote was in reference to the possessed humans that had attacked up to that point.

olliebaba

Jun 10 2014, 02:04 AM

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That's a bit out of context. Goten's quote was in reference to the possessed humans that had attacked up to that point.

Baby came out of the human host and was fighting Goten. Goten told Mr. Satan to be careful because Baby is stronger than anyone they fought before.

Pyrus

Jun 10 2014, 02:09 AM

olliebaba

Jun 10 2014, 02:04 AM

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That's a bit out of context. Goten's quote was in reference to the possessed humans that had attacked up to that point.

Baby came out of the human host and was fighting Goten. Goten told Mr. Satan to be careful because Baby is stronger than anyone they fought before.

Why would Goten be referencing every other villain they'd fought before when the threat at hand was the possessed humans and Baby?