Gogetto

Jun 7 2014, 02:02 PM

2)Goku said that a fusion would have no chance against Bills. Note that it says after facing a Bills heavily suppressed.

TConnor_Demonic

Jun 7 2014, 08:57 PM

Gogetto

Jun 7 2014, 08:46 PM

They never specify the form of Vegito exceeding SSJ4 Goku. GT multipliers tend to become weaker (I'll explain later why).

Perhaps SSJ Multipliers. but then again...as I believe SSJ3Vegito96 pointed out to me in an old versus thread in the Other Versus section

Episode 19
Time: Roughly 19m40s
Context: Rild senses Goku's ki after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan
Rild: "Up to now, you haven't been putting out half of your power."

You would've maybe had a point if he said EXACTLY half power but he didn't. He only talks about how Goku was using less than half. Which is pretty vague. Now unless you can prove Oozaru with SSJ on top grants a pitifully small boost then I think this where this stops.

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 12:32 AM

TConnor_Demonic

Jun 7 2014, 08:57 PM

Gogetto

Jun 7 2014, 08:46 PM

They never specify the form of Vegito exceeding SSJ4 Goku. GT multipliers tend to become weaker (I'll explain later why).

Perhaps SSJ Multipliers. but then again...as I believe SSJ3Vegito96 pointed out to me in an old versus thread in the Other Versus section

Episode 19
Time: Roughly 19m40s
Context: Rild senses Goku's ki after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan
Rild: "Up to now, you haven't been putting out half of your power."

You would've maybe had a point if he said EXACTLY half power but he didn't. He only talks about how Goku was using less than half. Which is pretty vague. Now unless you can prove Oozaru with SSJ on top grants a pitifully small boost then I think this where this stops.

Knowing that the SSJ = 50 x, the power of his normal form should only represent 2% of FS. So why Rildo talking about half as if using a power near half ? I have nothing to prove because we have no multiplier that applies to the anime.

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Didn't SSJ4 Goku tell Gohan and the others that he was their only chance against Oozaru Baby and once more before Baby ascended (Right when Goku attains SSJ4, talking to Hercule and Pan)?

So even if he just meant SSJ Vegito for Super Baby, Vegito was surpassed by a mile by the next transformation. Goku had a good gauge on Vegito's power since he was part of him. And even Baby Vegeta is proof since he remarks that he attained the greatest power in the universe with Vegeta as his host (mind you, he has access to Vegeta's memories).

SSJ Vegito ~< Super Baby < SSJ2 Vegito << SSJ3 Vegito < Super Baby 2 << SSJ4 Goku ~ Oozaru Baby 

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Nowhere was it stated that a Fusion would have no chance. Goku was actually quite uncertain whether a Fusion would work or not against suppressed Beerus. 

"To stand a chance against him, I'd have to fuse with Vegeta. No even then, I don't think I could win."

Suppressed Beerus >=/~ SSJ3 Vegetto

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 01:10 AM

But the SSJ3 Vegito >= SSJ4 Goku still here. So i don't need to prove anything.

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Didn't SSJ4 Goku tell Gohan and the others that he was their only chance against Oozaru Baby and once more before Baby ascended (Right when Goku attains SSJ4, talking to Hercule and Pan)?

So even if he just meant SSJ Vegito for Super Baby, Vegito was surpassed by a mile by the next transformation. Goku had a good gauge on Vegito's power since he was part of him. And even Baby Vegeta is proof since he remarks that he attained the greatest power in the universe with Vegeta as his host (mind you, he has access to Vegeta's memories).

SSJ Vegito ~< Super Baby < SSJ2 Vegito << SSJ3 Vegito < Super Baby 2 << SSJ4 Goku ~ Oozaru Baby 

1) Goku could not merge with Vegeta saw that he was possessed by Baby. So this statement does not make him stronger than SSJ3 Vegito.

2) Following your reasoning, SSJ4 Goku would be even stronger than Vegito (GT), which is impossible.

3) Baby Vegeta is just arrogant. He thought even SSJ4 Goku could beat ... When villain proclaims to be the most powerful in the universe, for example, I personally never take seriously ...

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 01:22 AM

I've already told you, no form of Vegeto is specified when compared to SSJ4 Goku. In addition to this, "perhaps" implies that the powers are close. And to make things easier, people say that SSJ3 Vegito (Buu arc) = SSJ4 Goku (Baby arc).

TConnor_Demonic

Jun 8 2014, 01:26 AM

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 01:22 AM

I've already told you, no form of Vegeto is specified when compared to SSJ4 Goku. In addition to this, "perhaps" implies that the powers are close. And to make things easier, people say that SSJ3 Vegito (Buu arc) = SSJ4 Goku (Baby arc).

Perhaps implies a guess in some form and in order to make the statement in the guide work you have to have it to where Goku wasn't taking into account Super Vegetto and was just saying Boohan or Kid Boo when he said Super Bebi Vegeta had the greatest ki ever felt. Not to mention that Bebi transformed AGAIN afterwards and then went SSJ Great Ape afterwards. Good luck with that.

And I know people that say the exact opposite, where does an argument like that get us?

Edit: And the guide SPECIFICALLY states Super Vegetto when compared to Super Saiyan 4 Goku.

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"After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegito! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegito! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 01:36 AM

TConnor_Demonic

Jun 8 2014, 01:26 AM

Gogetto

Jun 8 2014, 01:22 AM

I've already told you, no form of Vegeto is specified when compared to SSJ4 Goku. In addition to this, "perhaps" implies that the powers are close. And to make things easier, people say that SSJ3 Vegito (Buu arc) = SSJ4 Goku (Baby arc).

Perhaps implies a guess in some form and in order to make the statement in the guide work you have to have it to where Goku wasn't taking into account Super Vegetto and was just saying Boohan or Kid Boo when he said Super Bebi Vegeta had the greatest ki ever felt. Not to mention that Bebi transformed AGAIN afterwards and then went SSJ Great Ape afterwards. Good luck with that.

And I know people that say the exact opposite, where does an argument like that get us?

Edit: And the guide SPECIFICALLY states Super Vegetto when compared to Super Saiyan 4 Goku.

When Piccolo said Majin Vegeta is "perhaps" stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan, that implies their powers are very close. Then, it's the same situation here. Forms of Baby may not have offered him a huge power-up (Example : SSJ Goku VS Rilldo)