How Strong is Beruus and godku

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How Strong is Beruus and godku
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Dankness Lava	Jun 7 2014, 07:50 PM Post #46
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	But at the same time, if he specifially meant a power that he himself sensed, and considering he never transformed into Vegetto since, it could still mean SSj3 Vegetto is enough. But that's if he was being literal.



Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 7 2014, 07:54 PM Post #47
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Meh, it's silly for someone who has the capability of transforming into said state to not be able to sense the ki for it. That's like SSJ2 Gohan against Cell not being able to sense himself. Especially with all the talk of this hidden power he felt within him from rage (which we know would actually be the trigger for his SSJ2 transformation, and some have it to where his rage increases his boost). And then all the talk about how that was what he was mentioning about the hidden power inside of him and Goku saying that was the power he was talking about all along.
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Dankness Lava	Jun 7 2014, 07:58 PM Post #48
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Eh, at this point I could see it either way, so your point is very valid. My input is over.



Venato	Jun 7 2014, 08:08 PM Post #49
The Saiyan Hunter Posts: 434 Group: Member Member #11,223 Joined: April 16, 2014	So you think Goku felt a power that has never existed ? Vegeto had even said that he was surprised by his own power.



Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 7 2014, 08:08 PM Post #50
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Cool But meh, if people want to believe people can transform into a SSJ state without first feeling the ki for it then good for them. Doesn't mean they're ANYWHERE near correct however. Vegetto was surprised by his own power because he wasn't expecting to woop Boo so badly via the Potarra. He was intially expecting to have to put a hell of a lot more effort in. Chapter: 505 (DBZ 311), P1.2 Context: after Vegetto outclasses Boo Vegetto: “…Well, don’t feel too bad. Even I’m surprised. To think that I’d be able to make this big a fool out of you.” Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jun 7 2014, 08:14 PM.
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Venato	Jun 7 2014, 08:22 PM Post #51
The Saiyan Hunter Posts: 434 Group: Member Member #11,223 Joined: April 16, 2014	In saying that, you merely confirm that Vegeto did not know how he could be strong.



Dankness Lava	Jun 7 2014, 08:22 PM Post #52
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Hi I'm back. That's actually weird when you think about it, even after knowing his base power, he had surprise at the gap between Super him and Super Boo.



Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 7 2014, 08:26 PM Post #53
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Gogetto Jun 7 2014, 08:22 PM In saying that, you merely confirm that Vegeto did not know how he could be strong. Sure, he didn't ESTIMATE he could be that strong. Elder Kaioshin talks to Goku about how so much superior Potarra is to regular fusion. Goku and Vegeta go in expecting to have to go full out. However as they find out the Potarra and the rivals boost put them at a level they didn't expect to be at. Hence him being surprised at his power. In the manga Vegetto goes straight to SSJ, there is no Base involved. @Ben What I just wrote above. Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jun 7 2014, 08:27 PM.
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Venato	Jun 7 2014, 08:29 PM Post #54
The Saiyan Hunter Posts: 434 Group: Member Member #11,223 Joined: April 16, 2014	Your point of view is respectable, but nothing proves that SSJ3 Vegeto was felt, especially since it was stated that Vegito (SSJ3 ?) > = SSJ4 Goku (Baby Saga).



Dankness Lava	Jun 7 2014, 08:30 PM Post #55
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Right, I haven't read that part in the manga so I always forget that he didn't fight Super Boo in there.



Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 7 2014, 08:38 PM Post #56
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Gogetto Jun 7 2014, 08:29 PM Your point of view is respectable, but nothing proves that SSJ3 Vegeto was felt, especially since it was stated that Vegito (SSJ3 ?) > = SSJ4 Goku (Baby Saga). I don't remember that being directly out and stated outside of a guide. The only guide entry I know of states that Super Vegetto is perhaps stronger than a SSJ4 Goku. Either way when you have Super Bebi Vegeta stated as the strongest ki ever felt and even if you have Super Vegetto being the one that gets surpassed...you still have Super Bebi Vegeta transforming again and then going Golden Oozaru...of which SSJ4 Goku can handle. There's no way in hell Vegetto is getting anywhere near there unless you think Bebi only made a 2-5x gain with his version of SSJ2 and Oozaru with SSJ attached to it. I'm just saying it's impossible to be capable of transforming into a SSJ state if you can't sense and utilise the ki needed for it.
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Dankness Lava	Jun 7 2014, 08:40 PM Post #57
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	TConnor_Demonic Jun 7 2014, 08:38 PM I'm just saying it's impossible to be capable of transforming into a SSJ state if you can't sense and utilise the ki needed for it. That may be true after the first time it happens....



Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 7 2014, 08:42 PM Post #58
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Ben-Dan The Man Jun 7 2014, 08:40 PM TConnor_Demonic Jun 7 2014, 08:38 PM I'm just saying it's impossible to be capable of transforming into a SSJ state if you can't sense and utilise the ki needed for it. That may be true after the first time it happens.... You need to at all times, since Regular Base Ki and SSJ ki is referred to as having different feelings to it. It's why Trunks was mistaken for Goku with his SSJ ki. You can't just merely power up in Base and suddenly have SSJ ki, it doesn't work that way and nothing supports it. In fact everything points against it.
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Venato	Jun 7 2014, 08:46 PM Post #59
The Saiyan Hunter Posts: 434 Group: Member Member #11,223 Joined: April 16, 2014	They never specify the form of Vegito exceeding SSJ4 Goku. GT multipliers tend to become weaker (I'll explain later why).



Goddess Ultimecia	Jun 7 2014, 08:57 PM Post #60
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Gogetto Jun 7 2014, 08:46 PM They never specify the form of Vegito exceeding SSJ4 Goku. GT multipliers tend to become weaker (I'll explain later why). Perhaps SSJ Multipliers. but then again...as I believe SSJ3Vegito96 pointed out to me in an old versus thread in the Other Versus section Episode 19 Time: Roughly 19m40s Context: Rild senses Goku's ki after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan Rild: "Up to now, you haven't been putting out half of your power." You would've maybe had a point if he said EXACTLY half power but he didn't. He only talks about how Goku was using less than half. Which is pretty vague. Now unless you can prove Oozaru with SSJ on top grants a pitifully small boost then I think this where this stops.
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