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SSJ Multipler; 50 or 10
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+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 08:55 PM Post #61
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	And Base doesn't have any strain. Kaioken is totally uneccesary because of that. By the Buu Saga, Goku has SSJ2 and SSJ3 destroying any need for Kaioken.
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+ Emmeth	Jun 5 2014, 09:01 PM Post #62
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo is ludicrous anyway. Why would Piccolo, a major threat to Goku a long time ago be reduced to nothing?
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+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 09:03 PM Post #63
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Emmeth Jun 5 2014, 09:01 PM Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo is ludicrous anyway. Why would Piccolo, a major threat to Goku a long time ago be reduced to nothing? Because i'm in the belief that Piccolo stopped making significant gains like the Humans in the Buu Saga. I have that chain because I have Base Saiyans > Kaioshin with all the implications in the Babidi fights as well as Kaioshin > Piccolo because of the Daiz.
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+ Emmeth	Jun 5 2014, 09:10 PM Post #64
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Let me get one thing straight... People using x10 or even x5, it changes a lot of things shown in the manga and often makes things incosistent no matter how much you try to make it work. The whole Kaioken deal is one thing and goes throughout the entirety of the Cell arc. Another thing is the powerscaling in the Cell arc, in which it would be virtually impossible for Base Saiyans (a max of 10m at this point) to surpass Piccolo, who is likely several times stronger than Freeza after he fuses with Kami. I say this because Gohan became weaker in the 7 year gap.
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+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 09:11 PM Post #65
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Emmeth Jun 5 2014, 09:10 PM Let me get one thing straight... People using x10 or even x5, it changes a lot of things shown in the manga and often makes things incosistent no matter how much you try to make it work. The whole Kaioken deal is one thing and goes throughout the entirety of the Cell arc. Another thing is the powerscaling in the Cell arc, in which it would be virtually impossible for Base Saiyans (a max of 10m at this point) to surpass Piccolo, who is likely several times stronger than Freeza after he fuses with Kami. I say this because Gohan became weaker in the 7 year gap. It's not impossible like you think it might be. Check out my PL list in my sig, I make everything work out perfectly.
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+ Emmeth	Jun 5 2014, 09:13 PM Post #66
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Yusuke Urameshi Jun 5 2014, 09:11 PM It's not impossible like you think it might be. Check out my PL list in my sig, I make everything work out perfectly. I'm not talking about you making it work for you, but making it work without contradicting the manga.
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+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 09:17 PM Post #67
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	How is it that Base Saiyans are only 10 Million at max in the Cell Arc? Is their anything to prove that?
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+ Emmeth	Jun 5 2014, 09:20 PM Post #68
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Yusuke Urameshi Jun 5 2014, 09:17 PM How is it that Base Saiyans are only 10 Million at max in the Cell Arc? Is their anything to prove that? Linear powerscaling from Namek to 4 years later suggests they can't make it any higher than that.
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+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 09:23 PM Post #69
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Emmeth Jun 5 2014, 09:20 PM Yusuke Urameshi Jun 5 2014, 09:17 PM How is it that Base Saiyans are only 10 Million at max in the Cell Arc? Is their anything to prove that? Linear powerscaling from Namek to 4 years later suggests they can't make it any higher than that. What powerscalling? Saiyans didn't make any incredible gains until the RoSaT. Now were getting into the whole Base Saiyans thing which I was hoping wouldn't happen here.
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+ Emmeth	Jun 5 2014, 09:28 PM Post #70
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Yusuke Urameshi Jun 5 2014, 09:23 PM Now were getting into the whole Base Saiyans thing which I was hoping wouldn't happen here. This is the perfect place to discuss it since we are discussing the multiplier from Base to SSJ. The most logical multiplier to use is x50 since Goku was at 3m when fighting Freeza.
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+ Yusuke	Jun 5 2014, 09:32 PM Post #71
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Emmeth Jun 5 2014, 09:28 PM Yusuke Urameshi Jun 5 2014, 09:23 PM Now were getting into the whole Base Saiyans thing which I was hoping wouldn't happen here. This is the perfect place to discuss it since we are discussing the multiplier from Base to SSJ. The most logical multiplier to use is x50 since Goku was at 3m when fighting Freeza. Well since were going through this, theirs a lot of implications that Base Saiyans were stronger than Kaioshin who is in turn stronger than Frieza. Of course i'm not saying you have to follow that but with that being said, there's no reason for me to believe Base Saiyans are a measely 10 Million in the Cell Arc either. To each their own when it comes to Base Saiyan placement.
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Vertical	Jun 5 2014, 10:27 PM Post #72
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	SSJ is a multiplier?
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+ Emmeth	Jun 5 2014, 10:41 PM Post #73
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Vertical Jun 5 2014, 10:27 PM SSJ is a multiplier? It can be. It's a way of measuring power.
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AA500	Jun 5 2014, 11:03 PM Post #74
Posts: 2,079 Group: Member Member #9,363 Joined: April 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified	Emmeth Jun 5 2014, 09:20 PM Yusuke Urameshi Jun 5 2014, 09:17 PM How is it that Base Saiyans are only 10 Million at max in the Cell Arc? Is their anything to prove that? Linear powerscaling from Namek to 4 years later suggests they can't make it any higher than that. Powerscaling is almost never linear. Gains always jump around



Vertical	Jun 5 2014, 11:08 PM Post #75
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Emmeth Jun 5 2014, 10:41 PM Vertical Jun 5 2014, 10:27 PM SSJ is a multiplier? It can be. It's a way of measuring power. If all of your interpretations of the manga can be complied to by a simple multiplier, then sure, it can be. You must be careful your interpretation is not being influenced by a preconceived notion of a multiplier though... as many fall into this trap and simply cannot (or refuse to) see it. ("Your"/"You" referring to anyone reading the comment... not specifically calling you out, Emm) Edited by Vertical, Jun 5 2014, 11:08 PM.
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