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| What do we really know about the Super Saiyan legend? | |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 31 2014, 04:09 AM Post #1 |
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What little we know about the Super Saiyan legend is that a previous Super Saiyan had existed about a thousand years prior to Goku achieving it, but is there any evidence that this was the only Super Saiyan in Saiyan history? Vegeta seems to simply mention this as "the previous Super Saiyan", but due to this, leaves room for others possibly existing even earlier than that. This thread is purely speculative, of course, unless someone knows something I don't. |
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| PG14 | May 31 2014, 04:38 AM Post #2 |
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Well, we know he died due to his own power (I think). And that he had done more damage than Broly did in M8. So, he was probably stronger than Broly was, in M8, when he rampaged through the galaxy. But, from the anime's visual depiction, the "Original Super Saiyan." Was apparently a golden great ape. |
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| + Pelador | May 31 2014, 12:38 PM Post #3 |
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I think it was long enough ago that he was unable to travel the stars. Probably the Saiyan's original planet that wasn't planet Plant. I must say I love this secret history element to the Saiyans. It adds a rare level of depth to the Dragonball universe that is seldom there. |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | May 31 2014, 09:31 PM Post #4 |
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Not necessarily. Vegeta, and for that matter the rest of his fellow Saiyans in this time period, has never seen a SSJ before. Since the most powerful form of a Saiyan at this time was an Oozaru, Vegeta could only think of a SSJ as being an exceptionally powerful Oozaru... at least where the anime is concerned. As for the OP, I think it is possible but improbable considering that Vegeta, the strongest Saiyan at the time, was so relatively weak and Frieza was fearing that the Saiyans were getting stronger |
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| + Pyrus | May 31 2014, 09:42 PM Post #5 |
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Well, we do have this marvelous article by Herms: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18583&p=504901 |
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| PG14 | Jun 1 2014, 01:07 AM Post #6 |
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Interesting. Thanks for the input. I think this also means that Broly's LSSJ form really was the Legendary Super Saiyan form, due to fitting the description of it pretty well. Edited by PG14, Jun 1 2014, 01:07 AM.
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| Yuli Ban | Jun 1 2014, 01:18 AM Post #7 |
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Personally, I feel that there is no "legendary super Saiyan" but merely a "legendary" super Saiyan. Disregard Broly for a moment. What do we know about how to attain the transformation? Great emotions, usually of the rage of some sort of great loss (so far, that's all it's been, save Goten and Trunks). And what do we know about Saiyans? That they're not the touchy feely kind of people. For them, closeness is a weakness. So no one had transformed in a thousand years because no Saiyan in a thousand years had both great power and great love for anything but bloodlust and pillaging. They didn't even care much about their own relatives. Whatever camaraderie they had was limited to racial pride, but little more. Hence why Vegeta is so proud of the Saiyans, but had a hand in helping them go nearly extinct (killing Nappa, refusing to revive Raditz, wanting to kill Goku and Gohan, and threatening his own full grown son). So if a Saiyan needed something to lose in order to transform, and most saiyans simply don't give a s*** about anything, then it stands to reason that the previous super saiyan may have been a lot like Goku. Not exactly like him– maybe Vegeta at EoZ at softest– but definitely less of a murderer. |
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| PG14 | Jun 1 2014, 01:19 AM Post #8 |
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This actually makes a lot of sense. I never viewed it that way. |
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| + Pelador | Jun 1 2014, 01:22 AM Post #9 |
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I don't think that they were like Goku. I can't recall if this was just a dub error but I remember something being said about how he was consumed and ultimately destroyed by his own power? Maybe he wasn't as pure as Goku and so his power corrupted him to a point of madness? |
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| Mihawk | Jun 1 2014, 01:38 AM Post #10 |
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If there's another DB movie it better be on this topic. I'm not interested in new over powered movie villains. |
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| + Pelador | Jun 1 2014, 02:04 AM Post #11 |
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That, the origins of the Saiyans or the Tuffle war would be really interesting to me. How about a series following Vegeta's childhood like Dragonball did with Goku? Man I wish I was friends with Toriyama. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 1 2014, 03:28 AM Post #12 |
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That's not all true. There's no evidence of Super Saiyan requiring an emotional catalyst. We both don't know the circumstances to Goten and Trunks's transformations, and Gohan in the manga didn't really have rage or anything when he first transformed. |
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