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- Jun 1 2014, 10:17 AM
Pocus has to be about 4 times weaker than Yakon
And if Goku in his ssj was not suppressed with this 3000 thing according to kiri metric system then as I have Buu saga ssj goku a little bit stronger than CG mssj gohan about 1.2 times than Yakon who is supposed to be about roughly 3.75 times weaker than Goku as its power was shown to be 800 according to kiri . Thus I have Yakon somewhere semi perfect cell tier and Pocus somewhere Imperfect cell tier post absorbtions Your calculations make no sense what-so-ever.
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Jun 1 2014, 10:22 AM
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Pocus has to be about 4 times weaker than Yakon
And if Goku in his ssj was not suppressed with this 3000 thing according to kiri metric system then as I have Buu saga ssj goku a little bit stronger than CG mssj gohan about 1.2 times than Yakon who is supposed to be about roughly 3.75 times weaker than Goku as its power was shown to be 800 according to kiri . Thus I have Yakon somewhere semi perfect cell tier and Pocus somewhere Imperfect cell tier post absorbtions
Your calculations make no sense what-so-ever. Then the whole Kiri system is a CRAP what-so ever
What is your opinion then
There are two options according to YOU
1. You dont believe in numbers thus math
2. Or you believe in math but thinks the kiri system is not linear.
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Jun 1 2014, 11:15 AM
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Pocus has to be about 4 times weaker than Yakon
And if Goku in his ssj was not suppressed with this 3000 thing according to kiri metric system then as I have Buu saga ssj goku a little bit stronger than CG mssj gohan about 1.2 times than Yakon who is supposed to be about roughly 3.75 times weaker than Goku as its power was shown to be 800 according to kiri . Thus I have Yakon somewhere semi perfect cell tier and Pocus somewhere Imperfect cell tier post absorbtions
Your calculations make no sense what-so-ever.
Then the whole Kiri system is a CRAP what-so ever What is your opinion then There are two options according to YOU 1. You dont believe in numbers thus math 2. Or you believe in math but thinks the kiri system is not linear. There's actually another option: Your math and conclusions make no sense.
- Cherry
- Jun 1 2014, 10:17 AM
Pocus has to be about 4 times weaker than Yakon Why? What makes this so? Nothing.
- Cherry
- Jun 1 2014, 10:17 AM
And if Goku in his ssj was not suppressed with this 3000 thing according to kiri metric system then as I have Buu saga ssj goku a little bit stronger than CG mssj gohan about 1.2 times than Yakon who is supposed to be about roughly 3.75 times weaker than Goku as its power was shown to be 800 according to kiri . Thus I have Yakon somewhere semi perfect cell tier and Pocus somewhere Imperfect cell tier post absorbtions Base Goku showed a slight advantage over Yakon... though it is so slight you could get away with calling them roughly equal. So, Base Goku is at least 800 Kiri. SSJ Goku is shown to be 3000 Kiri.
If you wish to believe Goku is not suppressed (highly unlikely due to statements made during Dabura vs Gohan), and that Kiri relates linearly... then Goku's SSJ multiplier (if you believe in such a thing) is 3.75x.
In your opinion, this is not a realistic option (http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8999809&t=8482254):
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- Jun 1 2014, 10:19 AM
Less than 10 is totally nonsense By that logic, SSJ Goku would be 8000 Kiri at least. And applying your gaps/beliefs, this would put Yakon (and [Buu Arc] Base Goku) at ~8.33x weaker than [Cell Games] SSJ Gohan.
But really, you do not know what Goku's maximum is at this point... so you cannot use any of this to work out anything.
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Jun 1 2014, 11:34 AM
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- May 31 2014, 05:54 PM
Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P13.3 Context: after Vegeta kills Pui-Pui Kaioshin: “Th-that can’t be…Th-they’re this [strong]…”
Kaioshin can't believe his eyes how strong Vegeta was, and how he did managed to defeat Pocus on his own, meaning that he couldn't do it on his own.
Actually it simply means he didn't think Vegeta could do it by himself, it doesn't have any indication of his own strength.
I don't really know who would be the stronger of the two right now. There's too much vague evidence on both sides.
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Jun 1 2014, 11:44 AM
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- Jun 1 2014, 10:04 AM
@Alex
Why don't you come up with your own arguments why Kaioshin is as weak as you say? All you do is repeat yourself.
I did come up with my own arguments.
Kaioshin didn't even wanted to fight Yakon on his own. In fact, he wanted to gang up on him. Goku at Base fought equally or better than Yakon, and when he did, Kaioshin still wanted to team up. This already shows that Kaioshin couldn't do it on his own.
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Jun 1 2014, 11:50 AM
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@Alex
Why don't you come up with your own arguments why Kaioshin is as weak as you say? All you do is repeat yourself.
I did come up with my own arguments. Kaioshin didn't even wanted to fight Yakon on his own. In fact, he wanted to gang up on him. Goku at Base fought equally or better than Yakon, and when he did, Kaioshin still wanted to team up. This already shows that Kaioshin couldn't do it on his own. Same old story, bro.
I already told you that Kaioshin was cautious when he entered Babidi's Ship, because he didn't want to give energy too Boo's Ball. Besides, why have you stopped focusing on Pocus suddenly? We weren't discussing whether Yakon was stronger than Kaioshin or not.
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Jun 1 2014, 11:59 AM
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Pocus has to be about 4 times weaker than Yakon
And if Goku in his ssj was not suppressed with this 3000 thing according to kiri metric system then as I have Buu saga ssj goku a little bit stronger than CG mssj gohan about 1.2 times than Yakon who is supposed to be about roughly 3.75 times weaker than Goku as its power was shown to be 800 according to kiri . Thus I have Yakon somewhere semi perfect cell tier and Pocus somewhere Imperfect cell tier post absorbtions
Your calculations make no sense what-so-ever.
Then the whole Kiri system is a CRAP what-so ever What is your opinion then There are two options according to YOU 1. You dont believe in numbers thus math 2. Or you believe in math but thinks the kiri system is not linear.
There's actually another option: Your math and conclusions make no sense. - Cherry
- Jun 1 2014, 10:17 AM
Pocus has to be about 4 times weaker than Yakon
Why? What makes this so? Nothing. - Cherry
- Jun 1 2014, 10:17 AM
And if Goku in his ssj was not suppressed with this 3000 thing according to kiri metric system then as I have Buu saga ssj goku a little bit stronger than CG mssj gohan about 1.2 times than Yakon who is supposed to be about roughly 3.75 times weaker than Goku as its power was shown to be 800 according to kiri . Thus I have Yakon somewhere semi perfect cell tier and Pocus somewhere Imperfect cell tier post absorbtions
Base Goku showed a slight advantage over Yakon... though it is so slight you could get away with calling them roughly equal. So, Base Goku is at least 800 Kiri. SSJ Goku is shown to be 3000 Kiri. If you wish to believe Goku is not suppressed ( highly unlikely due to statements made during Dabura vs Gohan), and that Kiri relates linearly... then Goku's SSJ multiplier (if you believe in such a thing) is 3.75x. In your opinion, this is not a realistic option ( http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8999809&t=8482254): - Cherry
- Jun 1 2014, 10:19 AM
Less than 10 is totally nonsense
By that logic, SSJ Goku would be 8000 Kiri at least. And applying your gaps/beliefs, this would put Yakon (and [Buu Arc] Base Goku) at ~8.33x weaker than [Cell Games] SSJ Gohan. But really, you do not know what Goku's maximum is at this point... so you cannot use any of this to work out anything.
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Why? What makes this so? Nothing.
Yakon 800
Pocus less than 200 right?
unless you say it is not linear
And I said less than *10 is nonsese in THE CELL GAMES AND STUFF.
*10 fits well during the Buu saga
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Jun 1 2014, 12:02 PM
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- Jun 1 2014, 10:04 AM
@Alex
Why don't you come up with your own arguments why Kaioshin is as weak as you say? All you do is repeat yourself.
I did come up with my own arguments. Kaioshin didn't even wanted to fight Yakon on his own. In fact, he wanted to gang up on him. Goku at Base fought equally or better than Yakon, and when he did, Kaioshin still wanted to team up. This already shows that Kaioshin couldn't do it on his own.
Same old story, bro. I already told you that Kaioshin was cautious when he entered Babidi's Ship, because he didn't want to give energy too Boo's Ball. Besides, why have you stopped focusing on Pocus suddenly? We weren't discussing whether Yakon was stronger than Kaioshin or not.
You're only bringing up conjectures. Its hard to debate against someone who brings up new story just to ignore it.
This shet needs to be done. smh.
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Jun 1 2014, 12:07 PM
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- Jun 1 2014, 12:02 PM
You're only bringing up conjectures. Its hard to debate against someone who brings up new story just to ignore it.
This shet needs to be done. smh.
Come up with some new arguments to counter mine and we'll talk then.
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- Jun 1 2014, 11:59 AM
Yakon 800
Pocus less than 200 right?
unless you say it is not linear Why is Pocus less than 200? Where does that number come from? And if he must be less than 200... why does he have to be anywhere near it at all?
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- Jun 1 2014, 11:59 AM
And I said less than *10 is nonsese in THE CELL GAMES AND STUFF.
*10 fits well during the Buu saga Yea, I know... but if you re-read what I said... it's the "less than" that's important. If you want to apply Kiri linearly, and you want to believe that 3000 = SSJ Goku's maximum, then his SSJ multiplier would be 3.75x (or less), which you've said would be ridiculous.
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- Jun 1 2014, 09:59 AM
@Ketchup Revenge:
How come nothing says Kaioshin being weaker than the Base Saiyans? You think he would fight on his own against Goku? He admits that base Goku is superior to himself. That's all the evidence we need.
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Jun 1 2014, 06:36 PM
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So if you think that Base Goku > Kaioshin, what does Frieza > BS make sense?
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Yakon 800
Pocus less than 200 right?
unless you say it is not linear
Why is Pocus less than 200? Where does that number come from? And if he must be less than 200... why does he have to be anywhere near it at all? - Cherry
- Jun 1 2014, 11:59 AM
And I said less than *10 is nonsese in THE CELL GAMES AND STUFF.
*10 fits well during the Buu saga
Yea, I know... but if you re-read what I said... it's the "less than" that's important. If you want to apply Kiri linearly, and you want to believe that 3000 = SSJ Goku's maximum, then his SSJ multiplier would be 3.75x (or less), which you've said would be ridiculous. Not 200 ...300 It might be a dub line though
However that 3000 what if that this is the maximum of the kiri meter I mean like the scouter has a maximum ....This kiriometer shall also
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Jun 1 2014, 08:09 PM
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So if you think that Base Goku > Kaioshin, what does Frieza > BS make sense? Because logically, we'd think that he was talking about Freeza's final form, but there's no evidence that he even knew about it at all considering that Freeza never really used it. Most people didn't know about it at all.
Kaiosama did, but that's only because it's his job to know this stuff.
Even if we (for a second) did consider Beerus's quote as canon or accurate, coupled with Kaioshin's "out-of-the loop" lack of knowledge, Base Saiyans can all we weaker than 100% Freeza, and still be stronger than Kaioshin.
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Jun 1 2014, 08:23 PM
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Kaioshin stated that he can blow Frieza in one-shot.
If he refers 1st form, then he isn't able to one-shot Frieza at all.
This contradicts AT's writing work.
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