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How strong is Pocus?
Topic Started: May 29 2014, 01:09 PM (4,872 Views)
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Either way he never corrected himself on Pocus after the battle finished. Instead he went onto using him as a measuring stick for the saiyans as if nothing changed.

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May 30 2014, 12:00 AM
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May 29 2014, 11:34 PM
Just a thought:
If Babidi only gathers the strongest fighters in the Universe.... but he never enslaved Freeza while clearly having the capability to enslave characters undeniably far more powerful (Dabura/Vegeta)... shouldn't that be enough to say that: Pocus > Freeza?
He was completely unable to enslave Vegeta. Vegeta LET the spell happen, shrugged off Babidi's orders as he saw fit and openly rebelled against him when he had gotten what he wanted out of the arrangement. And even though Buu has been interred on Earth all along, he didn't exactly target the Earth's greatest fighters did he? Even if he somehow didn't know about Vegeta and Piccolo, Master Shen has been a much more noteworthy martial artist and much more powerful then Spopovich for the past 100 years.

And Dabura by himself does not represent a trend.
Is it fair to compare knowledge of the citizens of Earth, the apparent backwater planet that it is, to knowledge of a well renowned galactic tyrant? Even if Buu was located on Earth, it was made very clear that they do not monitor the planet very often.

Also, Yamu/Spopovich were obviously temps. Locals recruited for a one off assignment. Rather than being famous/powerful, Babidi-tachi likely happened upon them by chance and considered them convenient. It is noted that they have not visited the planet in hundreds of years... and the fact that they have not picked up on Goten/Gohan/Trunks/Vegeta training (with whatever they use to discover notable power) means they likely arrived very shortly before the tournament.


Perhaps Dabura represents the upper limit of his abilities... or Vegeta's overhyped pride was simply more powerful than Babidi's magic (as implied by Babidi and Kaioshin).
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Pui-Pui would only need to be stronger than FIRST-form Freeza to merit the latter being overlooked. Which is why I usually place him in the single-digit millions at best.
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The Freeza form argument is the only acceptable argument really. The "paranoid, didn't know strength, etc" just don't add up in the context.

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Hmm yeah, perhaps the low millions, at minimum, would be the best for Pui Pui.
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

Toriyama stated that Freeza was so strong because he was a mutant. So this pretty much places him in a league all his own when it comes to mortals. Even Saiyans on average weren't anywhere near Freeza's weakest.
It's hard to believe that Pui Pui was anywhere near Freeza's power as well.

We also need to consider the fact that Planet Voon had the same gravity complex as Planet Vegeta, which was 10x Earth... in addition to Pui Pui's race not being known as great warriors like the Saiyans. Otherwise, we probably would've heard more about his race.
I think he's lucky if he's as strong as first form Freeza, who was well above even the strongest experienced ki users in the known universe.
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I guess there isn't much evidence to place this guy above 1,000,000 or so.
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* Irrelevant post incoming.


I find it interesting how we base power level opinions these days. Back in the old day, it was common for people to have the humans stronger than Final Form Freeza, and common for people to have Pui Pui ~ Android 16. These days it is more built upon lack of evidence, which is a more sound way of going about things. I may have to reconsider this Pui Pui business because I feel my opinion is outdated.


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Edited by SSJ, May 30 2014, 03:39 AM.
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May 30 2014, 12:20 AM
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May 30 2014, 12:00 AM
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May 29 2014, 11:34 PM
Just a thought:
If Babidi only gathers the strongest fighters in the Universe.... but he never enslaved Freeza while clearly having the capability to enslave characters undeniably far more powerful (Dabura/Vegeta)... shouldn't that be enough to say that: Pocus > Freeza?
He was completely unable to enslave Vegeta. Vegeta LET the spell happen, shrugged off Babidi's orders as he saw fit and openly rebelled against him when he had gotten what he wanted out of the arrangement. And even though Buu has been interred on Earth all along, he didn't exactly target the Earth's greatest fighters did he? Even if he somehow didn't know about Vegeta and Piccolo, Master Shen has been a much more noteworthy martial artist and much more powerful then Spopovich for the past 100 years.

And Dabura by himself does not represent a trend.
Is it fair to compare knowledge of the citizens of Earth, the apparent backwater planet that it is, to knowledge of a well renowned galactic tyrant? Even if Buu was located on Earth, it was made very clear that they do not monitor the planet very often.

Also, Yamu/Spopovich were obviously temps. Locals recruited for a one off assignment. Rather than being famous/powerful, Babidi-tachi likely happened upon them by chance and considered them convenient. It is noted that they have not visited the planet in hundreds of years... and the fact that they have not picked up on Goten/Gohan/Trunks/Vegeta training (with whatever they use to discover notable power) means they likely arrived very shortly before the tournament.


Perhaps Dabura represents the upper limit of his abilities... or Vegeta's overhyped pride was simply more powerful than Babidi's magic (as implied by Babidi and Kaioshin).
Their one-off assignment was supposed to last a hell of lot longer, they were supposed to drain energy from as many hundreds of people as they had to fill up the thing. Kaioshin is the only reason they were able to gather anywhere close to as much energy as they did.
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May 30 2014, 07:02 AM
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May 30 2014, 12:20 AM
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May 30 2014, 12:00 AM
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May 29 2014, 11:34 PM
Just a thought:
If Babidi only gathers the strongest fighters in the Universe.... but he never enslaved Freeza while clearly having the capability to enslave characters undeniably far more powerful (Dabura/Vegeta)... shouldn't that be enough to say that: Pocus > Freeza?
He was completely unable to enslave Vegeta. Vegeta LET the spell happen, shrugged off Babidi's orders as he saw fit and openly rebelled against him when he had gotten what he wanted out of the arrangement. And even though Buu has been interred on Earth all along, he didn't exactly target the Earth's greatest fighters did he? Even if he somehow didn't know about Vegeta and Piccolo, Master Shen has been a much more noteworthy martial artist and much more powerful then Spopovich for the past 100 years.

And Dabura by himself does not represent a trend.
Is it fair to compare knowledge of the citizens of Earth, the apparent backwater planet that it is, to knowledge of a well renowned galactic tyrant? Even if Buu was located on Earth, it was made very clear that they do not monitor the planet very often.

Also, Yamu/Spopovich were obviously temps. Locals recruited for a one off assignment. Rather than being famous/powerful, Babidi-tachi likely happened upon them by chance and considered them convenient. It is noted that they have not visited the planet in hundreds of years... and the fact that they have not picked up on Goten/Gohan/Trunks/Vegeta training (with whatever they use to discover notable power) means they likely arrived very shortly before the tournament.


Perhaps Dabura represents the upper limit of his abilities... or Vegeta's overhyped pride was simply more powerful than Babidi's magic (as implied by Babidi and Kaioshin).
Their one-off assignment was supposed to last a hell of lot longer, they were supposed to drain energy from as many hundreds of people as they had to fill up the thing. Kaioshin is the only reason they were able to gather anywhere close to as much energy as they did.
How can you assume that though?

We literally have 2-3 panels of conversation between Yami/Spop and Babidi before he kills them. He thanks them for filling the device with energy... snickers... and then states that he doesn't need them anymore.

Obviously, by simply looking a the device, Babidi could not tell how much was inside of it... so if they were indeed tasked with gathering the entirety of the energy required for Buu's release, that got thrown out the window the moment Kaioshin-tachi arrived.

Perhaps they were supposed to gather the entire amount required to release Buu.... perhaps they were meant to lead other, likely stronger, people to the ship all along to be drained... perhaps some other truth exists...

But look at it this way; If there wasn't enough energy on Earth, do you see Babidi taking Yamu/Spop around the Universe?
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He says "how many hundreds of people did it take to get this." That makes me think they at least weren't meant to drain one likely smuck and come back.

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May 30 2014, 07:22 AM
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He says "how many hundreds of people did it take to get this." That makes me think they at least weren't meant to drain one likely smuck and come back.
But the fact that he regrets killing them means he had some other plan to gather the rest... just not one as time efficient.
Edited by Vertical, May 30 2014, 07:38 AM.
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May 30 2014, 07:30 AM
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May 30 2014, 07:22 AM
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He says "how many hundreds of people did it take to get this." That makes me think they at least weren't meant to drain one likely smuck and come back.
But the fact that he regrets killing them means he had some other plan to gather the rest... just not one as time efficient.
Yeah but they did much more then Babidi but they were at least suppose to use the damn thing. Babidi didn't send them to the World Tournament to have a good time. They were given a meter to guage energy. Videl didn't interest them. In their suppressed states Kibito and Gohan barely made their meter go up an inch. They were there to attack people with powerlevels of well beyond Videl. Babidi at least knew there were people like that on Earth but instead decided to go through the rooster of the previous World tournament and recruit one of the least promising prospects.

You're telling me this same guy could've just gonna waltzed into the world trade organization and enslaved Freeza but felt he was too weak to aid him?
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I think he is somwhere at 200 000 000 at max

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May 30 2014, 03:39 AM
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I find it interesting how we base power level opinions these days. Back in the old day, it was common for people to have the humans stronger than Final Form Freeza, and common for people to have Pui Pui ~ Android 16. These days it is more built upon lack of evidence, which is a more sound way of going about things. I may have to reconsider this Pui Pui business because I feel my opinion is outdated.


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Thats because the Shindeners are gone , and the Elite debaters don't think this seriously anymore. I mean look at KP's post lol. This forum became a dust.

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