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| + Pelador | May 29 2014, 01:09 PM Post #1 |
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Is there any viable way to gauge Pocus' stength? He says he comes from a planet with ten times the gravity of Earth but that doesn't mean much since Radditz does too. I don't think he's as weak as Radditz since Babidi selected him as one of his elite warriors to fight the Saiyans. Considering the company that Babidi keeps, that suggests to me that he was not below Ginyu Force level. I think that's a minimum. Buu saga base Vegeta tanked a punch to the face from him. So what's the percentage you need to be above your opponent to do that? 15? 20? If we say that Pocus is that percentage weaker than Vegeta's base then that gives us his max possible power. So he's probably between Recoome and final form Freeza? or is that putting him a little too high? I like to think that Vegeta at this time could tank Freeza in base but I'm no expert on the matter. |
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| + Saiyan Paladin | May 29 2014, 01:27 PM Post #2 |
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I put him around First Form Freeza. Freeza was regarded as the strongest in the universe for a bit, I just have doubts that Pocus was just out there somewhere, at a level higher than Freeza's (Final form). |
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| + Clearin | May 29 2014, 02:06 PM Post #3 |
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I think the only concrete evidence we get is that he's weaker than base Vegeta (and by default anyone stronger than that). Whether he's weaker than Kaioshin or not isn't made very clear. There's also vague evidence he's even weaker than Krillin, and thinking x10 gravity is a lot doesn't make him look very strong. Kaioshin just makes early Buu saga really hard to work out. |
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| Alex D. Boss | May 29 2014, 02:11 PM Post #4 |
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Above Kaioshin. So automatically the likes of Frieza. |
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| + Pelador | May 29 2014, 02:29 PM Post #5 |
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Hmm. Kaioshin stating that he could fell Freeza in one blow and then issuing caution with Pui Pui makes it tricky. Whether he severely underestimated the Saiyans or that Pui Pui was way stronger than Freeza is hard to tell. |
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| + Saiyan Paladin | May 29 2014, 02:56 PM Post #6 |
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He did severely underestimate the Saiyans. And just because he's weary of Pocus, doesn't make him weaker than Pocus. Kaioshin is mainly focusing on not giving any more energy to Boo, ganging up on their opponents would be the logical choice. |
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| lazerbem | May 29 2014, 03:08 PM Post #7 |
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He's in the same tier as Kaioshin. Babidi wouldn't have sent him out if he wasn't. Pocus, who should know Kaioshin's power says that if he's careful, he can handle them. Kaioshin was worried, but he probably thought he could pull out a win with some help I have Pocus just a bit stronger than Kaioshin |
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| + Pelador | May 29 2014, 03:42 PM Post #8 |
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So he's around full powered Imperfect Cell? |
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| sekzee | May 29 2014, 03:51 PM Post #9 |
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That would work...but...Babidi doesn't know a thing about gauging power. Yakon > Pui Pui > 3 Base Saiyans > SSJ2 Gohan's Energy Wrong. So wrong. |
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| DurararaFTW | May 29 2014, 03:51 PM Post #10 |
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Don't really need to be anywhere near that strong to oneshot Freeza. |
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| + Yusuke | May 29 2014, 03:55 PM Post #11 |
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I personally have him around Semi-Cell level because I tend to have Base Saiyans very strong. Like Lazer, I don't have Pui-Pui a lot stronger than Kaioshin. And for Pui-Pui to be weaker than 100% Freeza would mean Kaioshin could easily one-shot him with a tiny ki blast which goes heavily against what was shown. |
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| lazerbem | May 29 2014, 03:57 PM Post #12 |
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True, but Babidi and Kaioshin are arch enemies. They should know each other pretty damn well. Kaioshin's reaction fits in with that I have Pocus around 1.2x stronger than Kaioshin. He can take him out without much trouble, but if the Saiyans interfere, like Kaioshin planned, he'll lose |
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| sekzee | May 29 2014, 04:01 PM Post #13 |
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I don't usually consider the battles inside Babidi's ship to mean much. I think it is just to show how disconnected these two are from the rest of the universe. 10x gravity? A joke. No light? It is like all those fights on Namek when people relied on scouters or their eyes. Another joke. Dabura? Too weak to matter these days. Great lord of lords? Pfft, also surpassed. Now the Saiyans are overconfident in that Buu will be nothing special, and they paid for it. Moral? Once again, never get too complacent. Oh, and Kaioshin is the great overlord of the living world. Did he know anything about Super Saiyans? At first, it appeared so...later, not so much. Edited by sekzee, May 29 2014, 04:02 PM.
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| + Pelador | May 29 2014, 04:07 PM Post #14 |
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Picollo stated that kaioshin was stronger than him. Picollo at that point was probably around Android 16 or maybe a bit less. Judging from Picollo's anxiety about fighting him, it's possible that kaioshin was near to Semi Cell. If Pocus is stronger than him then that means Vegeta has made some serious power gains in seven years. |
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| sekzee | May 29 2014, 04:14 PM Post #15 |
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I think it is a bit unwarranted to have Piccolo that low. *Piccolo exists the ROSAT* "Yo, Goku. I'm weaker than 16, but do I have a chance against Cell?" Sorry, but that just doesn't work. He would have to be somewhat close to SSJ Goku's 50% if not slightly above for the question to be warranted, in my opinion. Those that follow this line of thinking try too hard to make the Saiyans superiority over Piccolo fit, so they decrease the SSJ multiplier and have the base Saiyans ridiculously strong. I just assume that Vegeta's statement only included the other Saiyans participating, as he already knows he is far superior to Piccolo and the rest as a SSJ. Gohan and Goku are the only ones that were above him years ago, so he would be most interested in proving his worth against them due to his Saiyan pride. Edited by sekzee, May 29 2014, 04:16 PM.
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