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Is there a limit to SSJ Gr3?
Topic Started: May 28 2014, 11:22 PM (1,683 Views)
* Ketchup Revenge Jun 6 2014, 02:52 AM Post #16
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 I think its evidenced by the fact that Goku and Gohan were both able to be in the form, and not worry about losing ki or power. Goku states specifically that the higher grades use too much ki, and that training to overcome the negative effects of the regular Super Saiyan would be the best option.

Not to mention that Gohan wasn't too keen on staying transformed all the time during their time in the ROSAT.

This is simply an example of the numbers that I use for FPSSj.

Full Power Super Saiyan
Potential Max: 100%
Actual max: 98.5%
Ki loss sitting idle (per min): 0.25%
Cut off point: 3%
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p123 Jun 6 2014, 02:56 AM Post #17
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I think people really overrated MSSJ to be this big thing. You know what MSSJ is? It's being able to suppress their Super Saiyan power like they can do in Base. That's it. 100% MSSJ Goku still will get tired really quickly. They can just lower it to a point where they don't feel it much.
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* Ketchup Revenge Jun 6 2014, 03:31 AM Post #18
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I think people really overrated MSSJ to be this big thing. You know what MSSJ is? It's being able to suppress their Super Saiyan power like they can do in Base. That's it. 100% MSSJ Goku still will get tired really quickly. They can just lower it to a point where they don't feel it much.
Simply suppressing the ki doesn't null the effects of the transformation. You're still going to have the same rate of loss, which would make you needlessly lose power in the long-run.

We also need to consider that Old Kai specifically states that Super Saiyan is not good for a Saiyan to be in.

It does however specifically state that it eliminates the "restless feeling".

Not to mention that Goku specifically talks about getting used to the form so it's like their natural state.
It makes no sense for Goku and Gohan to use the form constantly in Cell Games/Pre-Cell games if it costs them ki.
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Saberoph Jun 6 2014, 03:36 AM Post #19
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 Assassin I didn't realize you were Ketchup, how have you been?

As for the Thread, I'm on the fence at the moment about Grade 3's limit. But, I wont say I think it's impossible.

Here's a question, would the effects of Grade 2 and 3 change if it was used by a MSS?
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p123 Jun 6 2014, 03:37 AM Post #20
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I think 100% MSSJ and regular SSJ are basically the same thing.
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Saberoph Jun 6 2014, 03:40 AM Post #21
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 I'm just asking from the context that SS being Mastered.

Edit: I know lately opinions of me haven't been to high with me being a smart a*** and total d***, but I'm getting passed all that and am trying to do this without s***ting on everyone's posts.
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SSJ Jun 6 2014, 05:10 AM Post #22
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I think 100% MSSJ and regular SSJ are basically the same thing.
This.

The only reason why people think FP SSJ is stronger is because by obtaining it, Goku gained a large sum of power.
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Saberoph Jun 6 2014, 05:34 AM Post #23
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 Yes, it's all but stated that MSS is just a more efficient version of SS. I'm just asking if a MSS used Grade 2 and 3 would it change anything about the forms?
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+ miguelnuva Jun 6 2014, 09:28 AM Post #24
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 I believe Mssj eliminates the grade I've which is why it is called grade IV. When Goku lowers and powers up as a ssj after mastering the form his lowest point is like a ssj grade 1 while his highest point is like a ssj grade III. Gokuz's ki is transforming but his body isn't.
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Saberoph Jun 6 2014, 05:21 PM Post #25
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 But how is MSS another Grade when it's just SS with no Ki loss?
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* Ketchup Revenge Jun 6 2014, 08:42 PM Post #26
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

 Originally, it was indeed called "Grade IV", while SSj2 was simply called "Grade V". I believe that Herms translated a tidbit about it, but it wasn't put on the main site. It was only posted in the site's news feed, and it was put on the Forums.

That translated tidbit was in one of the movie guides. It was the one that featured the Trunks special.

MSSj (FPSSj) is Super Saiyan with no strain, and strain results in a higher rate of ki loss. We know that strain drains ki because Goku couldn't relax in Super Saiyan 3 when fighting Kid Boo and recover ki, this is the entire reason why he had to revert to base.
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p123 Jun 6 2014, 11:22 PM Post #27
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I have a better explanation. Grade Forms only increase power. So anyone at the Cell Games could have pumped up their muscles and made their ki rise. Heck, anyone could do it. Cell showed us that. It's not a Saiyan trait. Even Roshi can do this.

The difference is, Vegeta and Trunks trained their buff states to increase their speed. This took a long time to do and without doing any sort of Grade training in their second year of the Rosat, they didn't do any Grade training. Thus, if they buffed up, they would have lost speed.

This seems good considering Goku didn't distinguish a difference between the Grade forms in the Rosat and mentioned that it wouldn't work because it lost speed. Vegeta was a genius to figure out a way to get a grade form increase it's speed, but in the end it was a detriment.
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Big Green The Yoshi Jun 6 2014, 11:33 PM Post #28
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Yeah, there's really nothing special about MSSJ, except that it lessens your Ki drain... If anything, I would have less of a problem with people lowering the SSJ boost after they achieve the MSSJ transformation.
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p123 Jun 6 2014, 11:34 PM Post #29
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I just think MSSJ means hey now we can suppress our Super Saiyan transformation. That's really all it is. Nothing special.
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Big Green The Yoshi Jun 6 2014, 11:39 PM Post #30
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And since USSJ had more Ki drain than normal SSJ, that's the only reason Vegeta got rid of it...

But that's nothing compared to Grade 3...

Grade 3 is like another SSJ3... Except with considerably less speed and less Ki drain.
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