Is there a limit to SSJ Gr3?

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Is there a limit to SSJ Gr3?
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SSJ	May 28 2014, 11:22 PM Post #1
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Do you think that by using Gr 3, you would eventually just explode from bulking up so much? Also, what do you think that maximum power boost would be?



~~StrawHatCrew~~	May 29 2014, 12:12 AM Post #2
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	I don't think you'll explode of it, no1 in the series did so probably just gives a very good/big power-boost. But I still think Super-Saiyan Grade-III power would be inferior to Super-Saiyan 2.



+ Yusuke	May 29 2014, 12:17 AM Post #3
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	I think the form Trunks used was the strongest USSJ can be which I believe to be 1.9X SSJ. I always like to use the wall analog. ASSJ, USSJ, and LSSJ will only get you a certain amount up the SSJ wall where as SSJ2 completely breaks the SSJ wall.
	Ask Yusuke


SSJ	May 29 2014, 12:22 AM Post #4
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	So you think that the muscles physically cannot bulk up any more?



+ Yusuke	May 29 2014, 12:27 AM Post #5
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Super Saiyan May 29 2014, 12:22 AM So you think that the muscles physically cannot bulk up any more? IDK, Broly was extremely buff after he turned LSSJ so who knows lol. I just see ASSJ, USSJ, and LSSJ as inferior power ups to the already established SSJ state and SSJ2 being completely different from the SSJ family hence it being more efficient
	Ask Yusuke


SSJ	May 29 2014, 12:28 AM Post #6
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	But it really isn't a "form", at least not in my eyes. It is simply getting bigger, therefore increasing power.



+ Kaboom	May 29 2014, 12:29 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	I think Grades 2 and 3 tap into the same "beyond Super Saiyan" power that Super Saiyan 2 does, and so Grade 3's upper limit is when it matches Super Saiyan 2's power boost, whatever that may be to anyone. Grade 2 is a relatively stable middle ground between that upper limit and the starting point of Super Saiyan 1. It gets more complicated if you want to somehow bring in and rationalize SSJ3 Broli, since I view his "Legendary Super Saiyan" form as his own special mutated combo of Grade 3 and SSJ2, and SSJ3 would be one step above that. But that's probably just introducing an unneeded headache. Edited by Kaboom, May 29 2014, 12:30 AM.



Fourth Doctor Who	May 29 2014, 05:51 PM Post #8
Mark of the Crimson Dragon Posts: 671 Group: Member Member #4,214 Joined: May 28, 2009 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Yu-Gi-Oh! and Bleah What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Pokemon and Bleach	I suppose Trunks could continue to increase his Super Saiyan Grade 3 muscles until - his speed is reduced to 0% with power at it's maxiumum. That'll be the limitation of Super Saiyan Grade 3 with bigger strain on the body methinks.



+ miguelnuva	Jun 1 2014, 05:19 AM Post #9
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	I agree with Yusuke. Trunks could power up till his power match himself using LSSJ but his speed would drop and he would never catch a SSJ2 version of himself.
	Gogeta power placement


~~p123~~	Jun 5 2014, 05:21 PM Post #10
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	Grade 3 is already ridiculously strong. Cell is tanking Grade 2 Vegeta with ease and putting him down like a dog with a laugh on his face and done with leisure. Vegeta is probably at best only 50% of Cell here and Trunks goes on to be greatly superior to him. Grade 3 can be a 2-3x boost. That is strong enough imo.



+ Pyrus	Jun 6 2014, 02:06 AM Post #11
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	For what it's worth, the GT Perfect Files says Grade 2 raises speed as well, coinciding with what the Daizenshuu says. Quote: Super Saiyan 1 The transformation which Son Goku displayed in his battle with Freeza on Planet Namek was “Super Saiyan 1”!! Proposed conditions for the transformation include such points as “intense anger or sorrow”, “high battle power”, “a gentle heart”, and “a dangerous situation”. The main external features are an aura and golden hair on one’s head which stands straight up, and after the transformation one’s battle power increases remarkably!! One theory is that it becomes as much as 50 times what it is normally!! There’s also types like Grade Two, which raises power and speed through ki, and Grade Three, which relies too much on power!! Edited by Pyrus, Jun 6 2014, 02:06 AM.
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SSJ	Jun 6 2014, 02:19 AM Post #12
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Ah nice, I've been looking for that forever Pyrus



~~p123~~	Jun 6 2014, 02:41 AM Post #13
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	I think Grade forms both reduce speed. Goku seemed to suggest this when he discovered them. I think Goku discarded them and went for pure SSJ while Vegeta and Trunks trained to make their Grade 2 balanced. This is why it was useless to use at the CG. Could they all go Grade 2? Sure. But Goku and Gohan never trained the speed issue out, and Trunks and Vegeta were out of training and would only get a boost in power and loss of speed if they did it.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jun 6 2014, 02:42 AM Post #14
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I was thinking more on the context of Grade 3 being a 3x boost in ki and strength, but the immense physical strain actually makes it much weaker than it could be. We also need to consider that these are boosts from an unmastered SSj, not FPSSj. This is the reason why the boost is the same as SSj2, but the form is so much weaker. It's also more inefficient. I have a chart in my head that I think in the context of calculating transformation strain and power. This is just my thought process: For example: (Grade 3) Potential Max: 100% (3x SSj) Actual Max: 70% (2.3 something x SSj) Percentage of ki loss sitting idle (per min): 4% Cut off point: 19% Of course this is just an example. Just to explain, the "Potential Max" is always 100%, and is where the Saiyan would be without any of the pitfalls of the form. The "Actual Max" is where a Saiyan is in the form at their strongest. This number is always lower than the "Actual Max" because of the strain from the form. The "ki loss sitting idle (per min)" is how much ki a Saiyan loses in the form just through staying transformed per minute. The "Cut off point" is the percentage that a Saiyan drops to in which they can't hold the transformation any longer. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 6 2014, 02:49 AM.
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


~~p123~~	Jun 6 2014, 02:43 AM Post #15
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	I agree Assasin. I like Grade 2 as a 2x boost and Grade 3 as a 3x boost. I do however disagree with you on a FPSSJ being more effective with it. My theory is in the post above and I think it makes sense.



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