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movie 10 and buu arc comparison
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Topic Started: May 28 2014, 07:14 PM (838 Views)
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May 28 2014, 07:14 PM
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for reference points to movie 8 and cell games arc see this thread http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8480540/1/#new
buu arc till fat buu
Goku base = 45
Goku ssj= 450
Vegeta base= 40
Vegeta ssj = 400
Trunks base= 10
Trunks ssj = 100
Goten base = 8
Goten ssj = 80
Piccolo = 200
Gohan base = 25
Gohan ssj = 250
Gohan ssj2 = 1000
Majin Vegeta base = 45
majin Vegeta ssj = 450
Majin Vegeta ssj2 = 1800
Goku ssj2 = 1800
Dabura= 300
Goku ssj3 = 7200
Fat buu full power = 6000
Yakon =120
Pui Pui = 20
Movie 10
Goten =8
Goten ssj = 80
Trunks base= 10
Trunks ssj =100
Gohan base = 40
Gohan ssj = 400
Gohan ssj2? ??? = 1600
Broly ssj = 500
Broly Lssj = 2000
Edited by Pointer, May 29 2014, 04:44 AM.
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May 28 2014, 07:44 PM
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using buu arc base gohan 25 as the reference point.
buu arc piccolo 20-25
goten 23 ssj 84
trunks 24 ssj 88
gohan 25 ssj 92 ssj2 184
vegeta 37 ssj 135 ssj2 270
goku/majin vegeta 45 (coincidence here, that's just how the math worked out) ssj 165 ssj2 330 ssj3 goku 660
165 < dabura < 270 (he's stronger than ssj goku, but weaker than ssj2 vegeta, based on statements)
yakon 42 (goku was faster than yakon, whose speed was noted as being at least normal, so therefore goku was more powerful)
pui pui 35
movie 10 krillin <1
goten 23 ssj 84
trunks 24 ssj 88
goku 45 ssj 165 ssj2 330
gohan 99 ssj 362 ssj2 724
broly 114 ssj 417 lssj 834
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.
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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.
for those that blindly follow word of god
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May 29 2014, 12:51 AM
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I think Pui-Pui should be below base Goten & Trunks & the gaps between the adults & kids is a bit big, but that's not the point of the thread.
Good comparison list.
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using buu arc base gohan 25 as the reference point. buu arc piccolo 20-25
goten 23 ssj 84
trunks 24 ssj 88
gohan 25 ssj 92 ssj2 184
vegeta 37 ssj 135 ssj2 270
goku/majin vegeta 45 (coincidence here, that's just how the math worked out) ssj 165 ssj2 330 ssj3 goku 660
165 < dabura < 270 (he's stronger than ssj goku, but weaker than ssj2 vegeta, based on statements)
yakon 42 (goku was faster than yakon, whose speed was noted as being at least normal, so therefore goku was more powerful)
pui pui 35 movie 10 krillin <1
goten 23 ssj 84
trunks 24 ssj 88
goku 45 ssj 165 ssj2 330
gohan 99 ssj 362 ssj2 724
broly 114 ssj 417 lssj 834
broly is stronger than a ssj3?
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May 29 2014, 09:29 PM
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- May 28 2014, 07:44 PM
using buu arc base gohan 25 as the reference point. buu arc piccolo 20-25
goten 23 ssj 84
trunks 24 ssj 88
gohan 25 ssj 92 ssj2 184
vegeta 37 ssj 135 ssj2 270
goku/majin vegeta 45 (coincidence here, that's just how the math worked out) ssj 165 ssj2 330 ssj3 goku 660
165 < dabura < 270 (he's stronger than ssj goku, but weaker than ssj2 vegeta, based on statements)
yakon 42 (goku was faster than yakon, whose speed was noted as being at least normal, so therefore goku was more powerful)
pui pui 35 movie 10 krillin <1
goten 23 ssj 84
trunks 24 ssj 88
goku 45 ssj 165 ssj2 330
gohan 99 ssj 362 ssj2 724
broly 114 ssj 417 lssj 834
broly is stronger than a ssj3? i think, he is going off the idea that movie 10 (gohan & broly) is haxxed
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Yeah, the whole LSSJ Broly > SSJ3 Goku thing is almost like Gogeta > Vegito. There's no reason to have that other than personal preference granted Broly did nothing to prove himself as an SSJ3 tier fighter. Just Saiyan.
As for me...
25th Tenkaichi Budokai to Gohan VS Dabura
Spoiler: click to toggle Son Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 SS2 Goku: 55,000,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000,000 SS Vegeta: 25,000,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 50,000,000,000 Son Gohan: 3,200,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (Angry): 23,500,000,000 SS2 Son Gohan: 32,000,000,000 Son Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Son Goten: 13,000,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, Without Weights): 2,340,000,000 Kaioshin: 2,500,000,000 Kibito: 26,400,000 Krillin: 6,500,000 Yamcha: 3,000,000 Andriod 18: 700,000,000 Videl (Post-Training): 7.5 Hercule: 6.5 Spopvich (Suppressed): 6 Spopvich (Full-Power): 9.5 Yamu: 9.3 Pui-Pui: 2,600,000,000 Yakon: 5,000,000,000 Dabura: 16,000,000,000
Movie 10
Spoiler: click to toggle Gohan: 3,900,000,000 MSS Gohan: 19,500,000,000 SS2 Gohan: 39,000,000,000 Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Goten: 13,000,000,000 Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 Family Kamehameha (MSS Goku + MSS Gohan + SS Goten): 138,000,000,000 Family Kamehameha (SS2 Goku + SS2 Gohan + SS Goten): 246,100,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Videl: 7.5 Krillin: 6,500,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 SS Broly (Supressed): 15,000,000,000 SS Broly: 30,000,000,000 LSS Broly: 51,000,000,000 Omega Blaster: 140,000,000,000
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May 29 2014, 10:47 PM
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Goten and Trunks > Piccolo in base?
Where is that even suggested? Just because you want to have the kids close to Gohan?
Everything else suggests otherwise.
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May 29 2014, 10:53 PM
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Goten and Trunks > Piccolo in base?
Where is that even suggested? Just because you want to have the kids close to Gohan?
Everything else suggests otherwise. Everything else suggests what? Kids not being close to Gohan or Goten and Trunks being above Piccolo in base. Dabura thinks that the base Saiyans are more of a threat than Piccolo. A ton of scenes and quotes also suggesting Goten and Gohan being close in power, not to mention the Daiz where it is straight up stated that Gohan is equal to Goten. I would like to see the parts where you think otherwise is suggested for either
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May 29 2014, 11:29 PM
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using buu arc base gohan 25 as the reference point. buu arc piccolo 20-25
goten 23 ssj 84
trunks 24 ssj 88
gohan 25 ssj 92 ssj2 184
vegeta 37 ssj 135 ssj2 270
goku/majin vegeta 45 (coincidence here, that's just how the math worked out) ssj 165 ssj2 330 ssj3 goku 660
165 < dabura < 270 (he's stronger than ssj goku, but weaker than ssj2 vegeta, based on statements)
yakon 42 (goku was faster than yakon, whose speed was noted as being at least normal, so therefore goku was more powerful)
pui pui 35 movie 10 krillin <1
goten 23 ssj 84
trunks 24 ssj 88
goku 45 ssj 165 ssj2 330
gohan 99 ssj 362 ssj2 724
broly 114 ssj 417 lssj 834
broly is stronger than a ssj3?
i think, he is going off the idea that movie 10 (gohan & broly) is haxxed
yeah. barring another shift in the ssj multiplier at the level of power that gohan and broly are at, base gohan being stronger than ssj goten and trunks, as clearly shown, means that ssj2 gohan and lssj broly are stronger than ssj3 goku. this is assuming, of course that ssj3 has a 2x multiplier, which i kind of default to without any evidence for anything else. it's possible that ssj3 is a stronger transformation, in which case broly may not be stronger than ssj3 goku.
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- May 29 2014, 10:47 PM
Goten and Trunks > Piccolo in base?
Where is that even suggested? Just because you want to have the kids close to Gohan?
Everything else suggests otherwise.
nothing suggests otherwise, actually. the only time their power is directly compared is inside buu, where piccolo is stronger than the drained base kids. but note that they are explicitly drained from the use of ssj3 gotenks. and considering that that was their 3rd time using it in less than a day, you can imagine just how exhausted they had to be.
other than that, my numbers could have piccolo stronger than base goten and trunks. i allow him as high as 25, the same as base gohan, and stronger than base goten or trunks. i just don't think he would compete if he was significantly weaker than the weakest relevant competitor.
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Goten and Trunks > Piccolo in base?
Where is that even suggested? Just because you want to have the kids close to Gohan?
Everything else suggests otherwise. I'm a believer in Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo.
Since I have the Base Adults ahead of Kaioshin and Piccolo, the kids shouldn't be far behind the Adults seeing that Goten was closing in on Gohan.
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Yeah, the whole LSSJ Broly > SSJ3 Goku thing is almost like Gogeta > Vegito. There's no reason to have that other than personal preference granted Broly did nothing to prove himself as an SSJ3 tier fighter. Just Saiyan. As for me... 25th Tenkaichi Budokai to Gohan VS DaburaSpoiler: click to toggle Son Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 SS2 Goku: 55,000,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000,000 SS Vegeta: 25,000,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 50,000,000,000 Son Gohan: 3,200,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (Angry): 23,500,000,000 SS2 Son Gohan: 32,000,000,000 Son Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Son Goten: 13,000,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, Without Weights): 2,340,000,000 Kaioshin: 2,500,000,000 Kibito: 26,400,000 Krillin: 6,500,000 Yamcha: 3,000,000 Andriod 18: 700,000,000 Videl (Post-Training): 7.5 Hercule: 6.5 Spopvich (Suppressed): 6 Spopvich (Full-Power): 9.5 Yamu: 9.3 Pui-Pui: 2,600,000,000 Yakon: 5,000,000,000 Dabura: 16,000,000,000 Movie 10Spoiler: click to toggle Gohan: 3,900,000,000 MSS Gohan: 19,500,000,000 SS2 Gohan: 39,000,000,000 Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Goten: 13,000,000,000 Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 Family Kamehameha (MSS Goku + MSS Gohan + SS Goten): 138,000,000,000 Family Kamehameha (SS2 Goku + SS2 Gohan + SS Goten): 246,100,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Videl: 7.5 Krillin: 6,500,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 SS Broly (Supressed): 15,000,000,000 SS Broly: 30,000,000,000 LSS Broly: 51,000,000,000 Omega Blaster: 140,000,000,000 There is no way Broly would even be close to a GT character who'd be SSJ4 level, in GT, or at least close. At that point, Broly is pretty much Raditz...weak compared to everything else.
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Yeah, the whole LSSJ Broly > SSJ3 Goku thing is almost like Gogeta > Vegito. There's no reason to have that other than personal preference granted Broly did nothing to prove himself as an SSJ3 tier fighter. Just Saiyan. As for me... 25th Tenkaichi Budokai to Gohan VS DaburaSpoiler: click to toggle Son Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 SS2 Goku: 55,000,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000,000 SS Vegeta: 25,000,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 50,000,000,000 Son Gohan: 3,200,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (Angry): 23,500,000,000 SS2 Son Gohan: 32,000,000,000 Son Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Son Goten: 13,000,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, Without Weights): 2,340,000,000 Kaioshin: 2,500,000,000 Kibito: 26,400,000 Krillin: 6,500,000 Yamcha: 3,000,000 Andriod 18: 700,000,000 Videl (Post-Training): 7.5 Hercule: 6.5 Spopvich (Suppressed): 6 Spopvich (Full-Power): 9.5 Yamu: 9.3 Pui-Pui: 2,600,000,000 Yakon: 5,000,000,000 Dabura: 16,000,000,000 Movie 10Spoiler: click to toggle Gohan: 3,900,000,000 MSS Gohan: 19,500,000,000 SS2 Gohan: 39,000,000,000 Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Goten: 13,000,000,000 Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 Family Kamehameha (MSS Goku + MSS Gohan + SS Goten): 138,000,000,000 Family Kamehameha (SS2 Goku + SS2 Gohan + SS Goten): 246,100,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Videl: 7.5 Krillin: 6,500,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 SS Broly (Supressed): 15,000,000,000 SS Broly: 30,000,000,000 LSS Broly: 51,000,000,000 Omega Blaster: 140,000,000,000
There is no way Broly would even be close to a GT character who'd be SSJ4 level, in GT, or at least close. At that point, Broly is pretty much Raditz...weak compared to everything else. he didn't mention any gt characters.
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Yeah, the whole LSSJ Broly > SSJ3 Goku thing is almost like Gogeta > Vegito. There's no reason to have that other than personal preference granted Broly did nothing to prove himself as an SSJ3 tier fighter. Just Saiyan. As for me... 25th Tenkaichi Budokai to Gohan VS DaburaSpoiler: click to toggle Son Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 SS2 Goku: 55,000,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000,000 SS Vegeta: 25,000,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 50,000,000,000 Son Gohan: 3,200,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (Angry): 23,500,000,000 SS2 Son Gohan: 32,000,000,000 Son Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Son Goten: 13,000,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, Without Weights): 2,340,000,000 Kaioshin: 2,500,000,000 Kibito: 26,400,000 Krillin: 6,500,000 Yamcha: 3,000,000 Andriod 18: 700,000,000 Videl (Post-Training): 7.5 Hercule: 6.5 Spopvich (Suppressed): 6 Spopvich (Full-Power): 9.5 Yamu: 9.3 Pui-Pui: 2,600,000,000 Yakon: 5,000,000,000 Dabura: 16,000,000,000 Movie 10Spoiler: click to toggle Gohan: 3,900,000,000 MSS Gohan: 19,500,000,000 SS2 Gohan: 39,000,000,000 Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Goten: 13,000,000,000 Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 Family Kamehameha (MSS Goku + MSS Gohan + SS Goten): 138,000,000,000 Family Kamehameha (SS2 Goku + SS2 Gohan + SS Goten): 246,100,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Videl: 7.5 Krillin: 6,500,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 SS Broly (Supressed): 15,000,000,000 SS Broly: 30,000,000,000 LSS Broly: 51,000,000,000 Omega Blaster: 140,000,000,000
There is no way Broly would even be close to a GT character who'd be SSJ4 level, in GT, or at least close. At that point, Broly is pretty much Raditz...weak compared to everything else. I think your thinking of something else PG14.
Preeety sure I didn't mention GT in my comparison list lol.
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Yeah, the whole LSSJ Broly > SSJ3 Goku thing is almost like Gogeta > Vegito. There's no reason to have that other than personal preference granted Broly did nothing to prove himself as an SSJ3 tier fighter. Just Saiyan. As for me... 25th Tenkaichi Budokai to Gohan VS DaburaSpoiler: click to toggle Son Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 SS2 Goku: 55,000,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000,000 SS Vegeta: 25,000,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 50,000,000,000 Son Gohan: 3,200,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (Angry): 23,500,000,000 SS2 Son Gohan: 32,000,000,000 Son Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Son Goten: 13,000,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, Without Weights): 2,340,000,000 Kaioshin: 2,500,000,000 Kibito: 26,400,000 Krillin: 6,500,000 Yamcha: 3,000,000 Andriod 18: 700,000,000 Videl (Post-Training): 7.5 Hercule: 6.5 Spopvich (Suppressed): 6 Spopvich (Full-Power): 9.5 Yamu: 9.3 Pui-Pui: 2,600,000,000 Yakon: 5,000,000,000 Dabura: 16,000,000,000 Movie 10Spoiler: click to toggle Gohan: 3,900,000,000 MSS Gohan: 19,500,000,000 SS2 Gohan: 39,000,000,000 Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Goten: 13,000,000,000 Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 Family Kamehameha (MSS Goku + MSS Gohan + SS Goten): 138,000,000,000 Family Kamehameha (SS2 Goku + SS2 Gohan + SS Goten): 246,100,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Videl: 7.5 Krillin: 6,500,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 SS Broly (Supressed): 15,000,000,000 SS Broly: 30,000,000,000 LSS Broly: 51,000,000,000 Omega Blaster: 140,000,000,000
There is no way Broly would even be close to a GT character who'd be SSJ4 level, in GT, or at least close. At that point, Broly is pretty much Raditz...weak compared to everything else.
I think your thinking of something else PG14. Preeety sure I didn't mention GT in my comparison list lol. i think he is just saying that broly is overrated by a lot of ppl & isn't all that strong, like u made that comparison to gogeta > vegetto
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- Yusuke Urameshi
- May 29 2014, 10:03 PM
Yeah, the whole LSSJ Broly > SSJ3 Goku thing is almost like Gogeta > Vegito. There's no reason to have that other than personal preference granted Broly did nothing to prove himself as an SSJ3 tier fighter. Just Saiyan. As for me... 25th Tenkaichi Budokai to Gohan VS DaburaSpoiler: click to toggle Son Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 SS2 Goku: 55,000,000,000 Vegeta: 5,000,000,000 SS Vegeta: 25,000,000,000 SS2 Vegeta: 50,000,000,000 Son Gohan: 3,200,000,000 MSS Son Gohan (Angry): 23,500,000,000 SS2 Son Gohan: 32,000,000,000 Son Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Son Goten: 13,000,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, Without Weights): 2,340,000,000 Kaioshin: 2,500,000,000 Kibito: 26,400,000 Krillin: 6,500,000 Yamcha: 3,000,000 Andriod 18: 700,000,000 Videl (Post-Training): 7.5 Hercule: 6.5 Spopvich (Suppressed): 6 Spopvich (Full-Power): 9.5 Yamu: 9.3 Pui-Pui: 2,600,000,000 Yakon: 5,000,000,000 Dabura: 16,000,000,000 Movie 10Spoiler: click to toggle Gohan: 3,900,000,000 MSS Gohan: 19,500,000,000 SS2 Gohan: 39,000,000,000 Goten: 2,600,000,000 SS Goten: 13,000,000,000 Goku: 5,500,000,000 MSS Goku: 27,500,000,000 Family Kamehameha (MSS Goku + MSS Gohan + SS Goten): 138,000,000,000 Family Kamehameha (SS2 Goku + SS2 Gohan + SS Goten): 246,100,000,000 Trunks 2,650,000,000 SS Trunks: 13,250,000,000 Videl: 7.5 Krillin: 6,500,000 Piccolo (Post-Training, With Weights): 1,800,000,000 SS Broly (Supressed): 15,000,000,000 SS Broly: 30,000,000,000 LSS Broly: 51,000,000,000 Omega Blaster: 140,000,000,000
There is no way Broly would even be close to a GT character who'd be SSJ4 level, in GT, or at least close. At that point, Broly is pretty much Raditz...weak compared to everything else.
I think your thinking of something else PG14. Preeety sure I didn't mention GT in my comparison list lol.
i think he is just saying that broly is overrated by a lot of ppl & isn't all that strong, like u made that comparison to gogeta > vegetto But I never said Gogeta > Vegito lol. I was comparing Gogeta > Vegito to LSSJ Broly > SSJ3 Goku because their both inaccurate and don't make any sense.
I don't recall mentioning GT anywhere lol.
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