100% Freeza vs SSJ Vegeta

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100% Freeza vs SSJ Vegeta
Tweet Topic Started: May 28 2014, 02:32 PM (2,434 Views)
SSJ	May 28 2014, 11:08 PM Post #31
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	StrawHatCrew May 28 2014, 11:06 PM Super Saiyan May 28 2014, 11:03 PM StrawHatCrew May 28 2014, 11:00 PM lazerbem May 28 2014, 10:59 PM StrawHatCrew May 28 2014, 10:46 PM lazerbem May 28 2014, 10:42 PM Kaboom May 28 2014, 10:27 PM Yeah, that's why I attached it as an "if." But we've already seen how effectively Vegeta can fight when he's close to someone in power. The odds are probably in his favor even if he opted to just rush and pummel Freeza instead. Freeza can as well. If you go by Daiz numbers, then Freeza is skilled as Hell via the fact he could actually keep up with Goku. However, if an attack winds the 150,000,000 power level Goku, then it will leave Vegeta splatted across the ground. According to the DaizenShuu the gap between Goku & Freeza is a rivaling gap, apparently because Raditz & SaibaMen had a similar gap (by DaizenShuu numbers). That's a fair point...except they have Dodoria and Zarbon at 22 and 23,000 respectively ...& what does that mean? He is trying to say that 24k Vegeta effortlessly beat Adlerian. That's his point. Lol wtf autocorrect *Dodoria Yeah, I just remembered that. ...but still my point stands that for Daizenshuu the gap between Goku & Freeza is considered a rivaling gap. If you want to go that route, then Dodoria was rivalling Vegeta.



~~StrawHatCrew~~	May 28 2014, 11:12 PM Post #32
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	Super Saiyan May 28 2014, 11:08 PM StrawHatCrew May 28 2014, 11:06 PM Super Saiyan May 28 2014, 11:03 PM StrawHatCrew May 28 2014, 11:00 PM lazerbem May 28 2014, 10:59 PM StrawHatCrew May 28 2014, 10:46 PM lazerbem May 28 2014, 10:42 PM Kaboom May 28 2014, 10:27 PM Yeah, that's why I attached it as an "if." But we've already seen how effectively Vegeta can fight when he's close to someone in power. The odds are probably in his favor even if he opted to just rush and pummel Freeza instead. Freeza can as well. If you go by Daiz numbers, then Freeza is skilled as Hell via the fact he could actually keep up with Goku. However, if an attack winds the 150,000,000 power level Goku, then it will leave Vegeta splatted across the ground. According to the DaizenShuu the gap between Goku & Freeza is a rivaling gap, apparently because Raditz & SaibaMen had a similar gap (by DaizenShuu numbers). That's a fair point...except they have Dodoria and Zarbon at 22 and 23,000 respectively ...& what does that mean? He is trying to say that 24k Vegeta effortlessly beat Adlerian. That's his point. Lol wtf autocorrect Dodoria Yeah, I just remembered that. ...but still my point stands that for Daizenshuu the gap between Goku & Freeza is considered a rivaling gap. If you want to go that route, then Dodoria was rivalling Vegeta. Yeah... I don't know about that. But why did they specifically use the 12/15 ratio they used for Raditz & SaibaMen (that's what I mean they specifically used the exact same gap)? Coincidence? Edited by StrawHatCrew*, May 28 2014, 11:13 PM.



SSJ	May 28 2014, 11:13 PM Post #33
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Possibly coincidence. That's why I've never considered Raditz to be 1500. That 1.25x rivalling doesn't add up when including the Namek events.



~~StrawHatCrew~~	May 28 2014, 11:15 PM Post #34
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	Yeah if it was a coincidence then fine but I just meant it's strange that they have the same exact gap & consider 1 of them rivalling gaps, so maybe not unintentional (even though it may be).



SSJ	May 28 2014, 11:16 PM Post #35
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Believe what you want, but it's an inconsistency at heart.



~~StrawHatCrew~~	May 28 2014, 11:17 PM Post #36
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	Super Saiyan May 28 2014, 11:16 PM Believe what you want, but it's an inconsistency at heart. I never said I believed it just pointed it out.



SSJ	May 28 2014, 11:17 PM Post #37
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	StrawHatCrew May 28 2014, 11:17 PM Super Saiyan May 28 2014, 11:16 PM Believe what you want, but it's an inconsistency at heart. I never said I believed it just pointed it out. Yes, I meant it as a general statement.



lazerbem	May 28 2014, 11:18 PM Post #38
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Before we get into another power level discussion, I just want to get us back on the right track. Since Freeza won't have taken a Spirit Bomb to the face in this AU, his stamina will be much better. Probably not great, but better than in canon. Because of this, he'll be able to fight a bit longer, maybe long enough to land one of his amp moves like Death Saucer or Nova Strike
	Crazy cat cults in the woods


+ Yusuke	May 28 2014, 11:23 PM Post #39
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Kaboom May 28 2014, 11:01 PM Yusuke Urameshi May 28 2014, 10:29 PM How is he going to have an upper hand against someone that's most likely stronger than him? Because 1) I'm operating under the presumption that they'd end up very close in power, and 2) because he's mutha-effin' Vegeta, that's why. Even if their somewhat close in power, Freeza was shown to hold his own against SSJ Goku who had a decent lead over him. Now with Freeza having a power edge this time, how could he lose against someone that was considerably weaker than Goku? And no, mutha-effin' Vegeta isn't a good reason lol.
	Ask Yusuke


DSTREET45	May 29 2014, 08:01 AM Post #40
Posts: 883 Group: Member Member #9,779 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball/Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho	I'd give it to Frieza after a moderately difficult fight (pretty much the same as the Drandosk video). Frieza seemed too close to Goku to have a 1.25x gap so I'd place him at 145 mill which would leave his 2%(what I guess his starting percentage was in final form) at 2.9 mil which is slightly below Goku and a big gap between him and Vegeta who I have at 2.4 mil.



+ Kaboom	May 29 2014, 10:11 AM Post #41
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	I think "power gaps aren't consistent" is the entire point.



lazerbem	May 30 2014, 12:59 PM Post #42
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Kaboom May 29 2014, 10:11 AM I think "power gaps aren't consistent" is the entire point. Even so, Freeza was nearly equal to SSJ Goku
	Crazy cat cults in the woods


EMIYA	May 30 2014, 01:37 PM Post #43
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Once again, the only time battle powers become inconsistent is when the guidebooks started sprouting out their number nonsense. KK3 Goku Vs Vegeta Vegeta vs Dodoria Vegeta vs Cui Goku/Piccolo vs Raditz Freeza vs Nail All of these have stated or implied gap of at least 1.2x or greater. Each and every one of these fights ended with one side getting the absolute snot kicked out of them. They may have survived through sheer endurance and plot but they sure as hell weren't putting up a fight. The manga itself was actually very consistent in the way the battle powers were present. It was probably one of the few things that AT really seemed to focus on and make clear. Cui didn't even want to fight Vegeta, he freaked out and tried to run after Vegeta made a mockery of him. Dodoria couldn't even hit Vegeta nor break out of his arm hold. According to the Daiz...Dodoria had a PL of 22,000. He somehow got his * kicked and cried like a little baby there. And then Normal Zarbon...PL in the Daiz. of 23,000 freaks out just like Dodoria and gets played with. A guy who is only 1.04x weaker than Vegeta, a gap this barely noticeable...got mirked until he transformed. Now here comes 100% Freeza and SSJ Goku. According to the guidebooks, there is a 1.25x difference between them. A difference we have consistently seen to be a gap where one, owned the other like a bag of potato chips. But there was no owning here. Freeza actually took own and held his own with SSJ Goku, an overall advantage to Goku but by no means was it a curbstomp fight in Goku's favor. Freeza was landing blows and one point even got the advantage during the beam/ball fight. Even as his stamina got lower and lower, he was still holding his own. And at no point whatsoever is it implied or even stated that Goku is going easy. In fact during the beam duel, he's screaming like a banshee, veins popping out, sucking on gamma radiation to turn into the hulk...and Freeza won. Now either you call the guidebooks BS contradictions which don't follow the manga format. Or otherwise Freeza must be so god** beastly that they had to drop a Genki-Dama on him, strain his body with 100% and then make the gap a 1.25x difference just so that SSJ Goku could finally hold what we might imply to be an advantage and yet Freeza is still strong enough to hold his own. Goku's a wuss.



Alex D. Boss	May 30 2014, 03:36 PM Post #44
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Breakfist summed it up nicely.



DelonDragon666	Aug 28 2014, 02:21 PM Post #45
Posts: 75 Group: Member Member #11,397 Joined: May 26, 2014 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z,Yugioh Zexal What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z , Yugioh Zexal	100 % Freeza in his verison of Ssj Grade 3 beats Ssj Vegeta badly.
	I like Buu, Broly and Cell.


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