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Movie 13 Hax
Topic Started: May 28 2014, 12:59 PM (1,911 Views)
Alex D. Boss
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SSJ2 Goku and even SSJ2 Vegeta (did probably better than Goku for some part lol) began to fight better than SSJ3 Gotenks who got slapped with one-hit. Gohan gets slapped as well, Vegeta could dodge few hits, Goku dodged 1 hit and then hildegarns slaps him while Vegeta did managed to stand for a while IIRC. When Goku becomes SSJ3 he stands up like nothing was happened and fights pretty well against Hidegarn, takes a few punches and smiles. I do think that the Dragon Fist wasn't haxed , and instead that SSJ3 Goku is just damn haxed.
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May 28 2014, 02:19 PM
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May 28 2014, 02:15 PM
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May 28 2014, 02:13 PM
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May 28 2014, 02:12 PM
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*As Hildengarn tries to punch SSj3 Goku*

Goku: "This sort of punch won't work! Fight like you mean!"


Gohan was getting pummeled by some of the weaker forms of Hirudengard while SSj3 Goku was telling the strongest form of Hirudengard to stop being a little ***** and kick it up.
Hirudegarn gets weaker when he's insulted, so what? Doesn't mean Goku is stronger.
No, if I'm not mistaken the whole "insult him and he gets weaker" is a dub error.
Something the dub made better then, apparently :p
I just went and grabbed a screenshot. :p

While Goku said that intense emotions drains its energy in the dub, this is what it was stated in the Japanese.

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If Goku was so much stronger than what was the point of the Dragon Fist?

Goku just has better fighting sense and endurance than the others, aside from Vegeta.
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May 28 2014, 05:40 PM
If Goku was so much stronger than what was the point of the Dragon Fist?

Goku just has better fighting sense and endurance than the others, aside from Vegeta.

He uses Dragon Fist to kill him completely.
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May 28 2014, 05:40 PM
If Goku was so much stronger than what was the point of the Dragon Fist?

Goku just has better fighting sense and endurance than the others, aside from Vegeta.
I don't see what fighting sense and endurance have to do with getting smoked in the face, repeatedly at that.
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Fighting sense is only useful when your not massively behind your opponent.

If the chain were still Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >> SSJ Gotenks Post > Base Gotenks Post > SSJ Gotenks Pre > SSJ3 Goku, Goku would have died the second Hiru made contact with him.
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May 28 2014, 06:19 PM
xGOKUdaFALLENx
May 28 2014, 05:40 PM
If Goku was so much stronger than what was the point of the Dragon Fist?

Goku just has better fighting sense and endurance than the others, aside from Vegeta.
I don't see what fighting sense and endurance have to do with getting smoked in the face, repeatedly at that.

Lol, I was thinking about this too when read his post.
Edited by Alex D. Boss, May 28 2014, 06:46 PM.
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SSJ3 Goku never struck me as the strongest in the movie. It was his ability to focus all this energy into a special and powerful move that made him, and really has always made him, such a phenomenal fighter.

I just think back to dragonball when he was fighting king piccolo and he used his "dragon fist" or whatever to defeat the king. On several occasions we see the spirit bomb used (a special move). HIs super dragonfist is just another display of his superiority not in terms of power, but in terms of his skill as a fighter (to create and perfect such a powerful move). He has been in many large battles throughout his life, moreso than any other DBZ character. He is the Michael Jordan of the DBZ Warriors.

Not Haxed at all he just finds the way to win whereas someone like Gohan (never really trains), Vegeta (not as strong as SSJ3 Goku and not as many big fights), Gotenks (just liked to play around) does not have this ability
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May 28 2014, 05:40 PM
If Goku was so much stronger than what was the point of the Dragon Fist?

Goku just has better fighting sense and endurance than the others, aside from Vegeta.
I don't see what fighting sense and endurance have to do with getting smoked in the face, repeatedly at that.
Goku was tempting Hiru to attack so he could finish him it in that instant it attacked. I don't see a need to make Goku that powerful by himself Toei or not.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Once again, Hirudengard was kicking the crap out of Gohan and literally smacked SSj3 Gotenks out of his fusion.

Goku was dodging blows, taking punches and calling them weak and holding his own much better as an SSj3 than both Gohan and Gotenks did. That is sheer absolute hax right there.
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May 28 2014, 07:43 PM
Once again, Hirudengard was kicking the crap out of Gohan and literally smacked SSj3 Gotenks out of his fusion.

Goku was dodging blows, taking punches and calling them weak and holding his own much better as an SSj3 than both Gohan and Gotenks did. That is sheer absolute hax right there.
^ This.

I really don't see how this is up for debate after taking all of this into account.
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And besides, Dragon Fist doesn't even has to be uber haxed.
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Had to rewatch for a moment. I dont know if Goku was haxed as much as Gohan and SSJ 3 Gotenks just were underpowered. If anything Videl is Haxed. She tooked that fire breath attack head on and, while knocked unconcious, didn't die...her PL cant be more than a couple hundred
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Meh, as I said before, Goku was haxed in the anime too (SSJ3 Goku > Gohan-Buu, SSJ Goku >=/~ Ultimate Gohan, hell it's even debatable if SSJ3 Goku is stronger than SSJ Vegetto), so I feel Toei continued with Goku being the strongest.
Feat-wise, Vegeta did better against Hildegarn than SSJ2 Goku and Ultimate Gohan.
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Goku SSJ3 Dragon fist >> Hirudegarn (Final Form) ~ Goku SSJ3 M13 >> Gotenks SSJ3> Hirudegarn (1st form)> Vegeta SSJ2 ~> Goku SSJ2> Mystic Gohan.

This is the chain that I saw in movie 13.

So yeah he is not only haxed, but lets say 'mega' haxed..
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