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Weakest Dbz Character to survive the sun
Topic Started: May 27 2014, 10:28 PM (7,781 Views)
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May 29 2014, 08:52 PM
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Plenty of verses can defy physics, MLP being one of them(filling a glass from the top down, drinking a solid, causing an explosion which instead of creating light creates darkness, among other such crap)
Fair point, but I always default to TTGL for Making Physics A Bad Joke. In TTGL, such defiance was actually a plot point, after all.
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May 29 2014, 08:59 PM
lazerbem
May 29 2014, 08:52 PM
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Plenty of verses can defy physics, MLP being one of them(filling a glass from the top down, drinking a solid, causing an explosion which instead of creating light creates darkness, among other such crap)
Fair point, but I always default to TTGL for Making Physics A Bad Joke. In TTGL, such defiance was actually a plot point, after all.
They do follow them, it's just that they use a power that's explicit purpose is breaking through any limitation. By physics following, there's Anti-Spiral's correct assessment that over use of Spiral Power will crush the universe, there's the Spiral Death Field, and people constantly calling out how creating matter SHOULD be impossible

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He drank a solid, somehow kept liquid balanced on his fingers, and then made an explosion that was dark
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May 29 2014, 05:51 PM
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May 29 2014, 12:30 PM
You won't convince me that Goku can walk on the sun's surface. Ever.
That's cool denial is step 1 to acceptance

@pelador the heat can't damage you internally because their body is alreadyeady more durable to begin with

Heat isn't a factor energy is

So it seems everyone is too caught up to actual rebute my points

Instead they go by low ends and say the sun is too hot lol
Heat and energy don't work he same way, yet you treat them as if they do, and I don't understand it one bit.
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If Kaio said Goku and won't survive where there's no planet, except Frieza, then does that mean he was taking into account Goku tanking the planet's overall explosion (heat, concussion etc)? From the sound of things it strictly seems to involve space will kill him.

And if this is indeed true then their heat resistance does scale with their ki reserves.

Kid Goku tanked 6,300 degrees fahrenheit, so lets just times that by 3,000,000 Goku's power level:

6,300 x 3,000,000 = 18,900,000,000 degrees fahrenheit aka 10,499,999,982.222 celsius

I think this would fit into the "planet's explosion hotter than the sun" deal, so I think this is a starting point.
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I don't know if power level correlates with heat resistance.


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May 30 2014, 12:00 AM
I don't know if power level correlates with heat resistance.
Not saying it does but from the quote SSJVegito posted, it seems likely to me. Kaio wasn't weary of the planet's explosion but the fact that there's no air to breath afterwards.
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Well the heat from the explosion isn't going to last that long, right? I have no problem with him surviving a short heat wave, even a high-intensity one such as a planet blowing up, but he's not handling prolonged exposure to high heat is all I'm saying.
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May 30 2014, 12:04 AM
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I don't know if power level correlates with heat resistance.
Not saying it does but from the quote SSJVegito posted, it seems likely to me. Kaio wasn't weary of the planet's explosion but the fact that there's no air to breath afterwards.
These things don't scale linearly. We've got Goku's 40 ton feat as proof of the fact that just because your ki increased by X amount, doesn't mean your physical attributes match it
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May 30 2014, 01:33 AM
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I don't know if power level correlates with heat resistance.
Not saying it does but from the quote SSJVegito posted, it seems likely to me. Kaio wasn't weary of the planet's explosion but the fact that there's no air to breath afterwards.
These things don't scale linearly. We've got Goku's 40 ton feat as proof of the fact that just because your ki increased by X amount, doesn't mean your physical attributes match it
That's true but while using ki he could lift more but I don't believe in that 40 ton thing anymore anyway, I've adopted another method provided by Havoc.

But in this case it does, if Goku uses ki it will protect him from the full burst of the heat deadly effects. And it can scale together because in my earlier post SSJVegito posted that Kaio was saying Goku wouldn't survive space, no mention of the explosion. And that Goku could be considered a God to his past self.


Kid Goku = 6,300 degrees fahrenheit

SSJ Goku = more than 12 million degrees fahrenheit (going off of Northern Kaio's statement)
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Wouldn't that also mean their ki attacks would have to be thousands upon thousands hotter than the heat of the sun by the time the Boo arc rolls around? Even though their ki attacks don't act the way an entity that hot would act upon the Earth?
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It probably does, but I was talking in more of a defensive sense not offensive. Besides when the explosions do occur they could be enclosed within the attacks and the smoke or whatever is released in a tight point upon impact, leaving marks and burns on most casts.

Edit: Like a KHH, its fired with the intended ki and it explodes with the heat and power (with smoke from the heat that's been released, this is what injures the fighters.
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So do you guys think AT thought this through and decided that too much heat can not be overcome by the Z fighters? I mean we only have one instance where somebody tries to tank a planetary explosion(Goku during Cell's self-destruct) and it's not even factual that it wasn't Cell's explosion that killed him.
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May 30 2014, 02:04 AM
So do you guys think AT thought this through and decided that too much heat can not be overcome by the Z fighters? I mean we only have one instance where somebody tries to tank a planetary explosion(Goku during Cell's self-destruct) and it's not even factual that it wasn't Cell's explosion that killed him.
Not at all. But I think it was Cell, I'd go with it being hax tbh. I mean Majin Vegeta nearly killed Buu, who's vastly more powerful, with a suicide attempt.
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May 30 2014, 01:59 AM
It probably does, but I was talking in more of a defensive sense not offensive. Besides when the explosions do occur they could be enclosed within the attacks and the smoke or whatever is released in a tight point upon impact, leaving marks and burns on most casts.
But they only control their ki, if heat of any sort of that caliber is presented in the environment of Earth you have one of two things happening that no amount of ki control can prevent. You cause unintentional explosions (IE, if you were to put the heat of the core of the sun onto a point as small as the tip of a needle you would cause an explosion that would take out the entirety of the United States just by being exposed to the atmosphere.) So you can imagine what happens if you fire a beam as large as a human, at a heat that is supposedly thousands of times hotter than anything the sun can dish out. Not to mention if that were to be released in any respect you would literally MELT the Earth.

And that's the problem I have with powerscaling in general, it's heavily flawed and is nothing more than potshots at numbers and is essentially little better than lolcalcs. There's a reason why in any debate we use statements and feats as a basis for anything, otherwise we would have Farmer w/a shotgun rolling around with the destructive capability of a multi-city buster. I could claim Superman is invincible and is omnipotent even though there are no statements or feats supporting that whatsoever.

In that same respect, I could go around and say that Goku flies at dozens of times the speed of light in the Boo arc, and Gohan-Boo flies at hundreds of times that...even though it's quite obvious such speed like that are never showcased...
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May 30 2014, 02:09 AM
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It probably does, but I was talking in more of a defensive sense not offensive. Besides when the explosions do occur they could be enclosed within the attacks and the smoke or whatever is released in a tight point upon impact, leaving marks and burns on most casts.
But they only control their ki, if heat of any sort of that caliber is presented in the environment of Earth you have one of two things happening that no amount of ki control can prevent. You cause unintentional explosions (IE, if you were to put the heat of the core of the sun onto a point as small as the tip of a needle you would cause an explosion that would take out the entirety of the United States just by being exposed to the atmosphere.) So you can imagine what happens if you fire a beam as large as a human, at a heat that is supposedly thousands of times hotter than anything the sun can dish out. Not to mention if that were to be released in any respect you would literally MELT the Earth.

And that's the problem I have with powerscaling in general, it's heavily flawed and is nothing more than potshots at numbers and is essentially little better than lolcalcs. There's a reason why in any debate we use statements and feats as a basis for anything, otherwise we would have Farmer w/a shotgun rolling around with the destructive capability of a multi-city buster. I could claim Superman is invincible and is omnipotent even though there are no statements or feats supporting that whatsoever.

In that same respect, I could go around and say that Goku flies at dozens of times the speed of light in the Boo arc, and Gohan-Boo flies at hundreds of times that...even though it's quite obvious such speed like that is never showcased...
I understand, but can we agree that Northern Kaio was worried that Goku will die from lack of oxygen and not the heat, in this quote?

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P5.2
Kaio: “Nobody can survive where there’s no planet…Except for Freeza…”

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