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Weakest Dbz Character to survive the sun
Topic Started: May 27 2014, 10:28 PM (7,782 Views)
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May 29 2014, 07:17 PM
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The amount of heat transferred by a substance depends on the speed and number of atoms or molecules in motion. The faster the atoms or molecules move, the higher the temperature, and the more atoms or molecules that are in motion, the greater the quantity of heat they transfer.

Thermal energy is a part of the total energy of any object.

Thermal energy is related to the temperature of an object.

Joules is the unit used to measure thermal energy


So i'll ask this again if a guy has galaxy lvl durability and shown no resistance to heat you think your're going to kill him with a lighter becuase it's heat although that same heat is still energy that can be measured in joules?
The measurement in joules speaks only to the measureable amount of energy said energy type exudes. It does NOT reflect upon the EFFECT the energy type has upon the object.

Fact: assuming Goku can withstand the amount of energy released in joules (which most of us agree can happen if translated directly into ki), he WILL NOT withstand his fat layer igniting spontaeneously under his skin from the heat radiation created by the sun.

Put simply, he will die screaming, on fire, and unable to put himself out. I don't care how durable his muscle and skin is; the fat layer will ignite. The only series that could simply ignore physics like that is TTGL, but we aren't talkint about TTGL, we are talking about DBZ, which (while fast and loose in usage) DOES NOT ignore fundamental physics.
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May 29 2014, 07:26 PM
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May 29 2014, 07:22 PM
it's obvious then that Ki doesn't operate in the way normal energy works then.

Because If these ki attacks are as fast as they are and as destructive as they are they should be making core of the sun levels of heat but it's quite obvious they do not. Unless they can control the amount of heat they put into it and when they explode they somehow defy physics and stop the heat from creating other explosions in addition to the small ki explosions. Hell their little ki balls should be taking out entire countries do to the size of them and the supposed heat they carry. No matter how much ki they control they have no control of the heat's aftereffects.
yes i understand that ki attacks aren't hotter than the sun but they still carry energy just like the sun but it's called thermal energy which STILL is measured in joules

still waiting for my question to be answered do you think you can kill a guy with galaxy lvl durability with a regular lighter you can buy at the store becuase it's heat?
The problem with that is their is nothing specified but since we're already talking about the Z-Fighters I might as well bring in Goku.

Goku has shown heat durability that is above Rocket Fuel right? We have that as the bare minimum for him.

However there are so may factors that go into resistances to certain kinds of energy and shyte. The reason why we can't take anywhere near as much radiation as a cockroach. Which I guess I should connect to Freeza since the dude is an absolute anomaly when it comes to his biology since he can take the beating of his life, get bisected, take a KHH in this weakened state, then take a planet exploding in his face and survive...and then survive in the vacuum of space and not dying from all the radiation out there.
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I mentioned this earlier in this thread but I want to know what you guys think. Frieza and king kai specifically said goku would die when namek exploded because can't breathe in space. The heat of the explosion wasn't mentioned. Was it? I can't remember it being mentioned. Anyway, what do you guys think? I think the fact that goku can't breathe in space was brought up instead of the heat means the heat isn't that big of a deal for him right?
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Meh, personally I don't think much of anyone especially like AT knows the heat given off when a planet explodes. Even going off of that it cannot be denied that Cell's amps have been stated to be piss poor. His Self-Destruction in his Semi-Form should thus not be impressive compared to other Self Destructs like Vegeta's. Then it stands to reason that it couldn't of been Semi-Cell's Self-Destruct was the reason Goku died, and instead was King Kai's (albeit small chunk) of planet exploding that caused his death. Which is also why I believe Freeza is one of the most enduring characters and when it comes to heat the most durable in the series. As he has taken all of that plus radiation and lived long enough for probably weeks out in space. It was a biology advantage in his favor, not a ki advantage.
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May 29 2014, 08:13 PM
I mentioned this earlier in this thread but I want to know what you guys think. Frieza and king kai specifically said goku would die when namek exploded because can't breathe in space. The heat of the explosion wasn't mentioned. Was it? I can't remember it being mentioned. Anyway, what do you guys think? I think the fact that goku can't breathe in space was brought up instead of the heat means the heat isn't that big of a deal for him right?
I always read that part along the lines of Freeza no longer certain just how tough Goku was and defaulted to the one thing a strong body will always die from: lack of breatheable air. It is possible Goku could survive the concussive and thermal energy release, but it is also just as likely he would not. All Freeza knew for certain was that Freeza himself could handle it all. It was more of an overkill moment:

If the concussive force of a planet exploding didn't kill Goku, the heat might.

If the heat didn't kill Goku, the lack of an atmosphere to breathe certainly would.
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Ahh I see what you're saying. But this just means that no one knows for sure if goku couldn't have survived the heat of the explosion right?
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Yes...but at the same time no. There's nothing substantial about it besides "lol you'll die cause you can't breath in space." and let's be honest. Freeza knows Saiyans can't breath in space and points it out multiple times if I'm not mistaken. We have no other feats or statements in approval of him being able to take heat of that caliber, and the only feats we have are from a biological, enduring, and durable beast that is Freeza, and Evil Magical Regenerating Immortal Bubblegum that has been here apparently since the beginning of the universe.
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I thought Kaio only said that in the anime? You'd have a decent argument if you point out the line in the manga. At the same time he still had IT against Cell so I'd have trouble buying it even then.

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May 29 2014, 08:36 PM
I thought Kaio only said that in the anime? You'd have a decent argument if you point out the line in the manga. At the same time he still had IT against Cell so I'd have trouble buying it even then.
Chapter: 363 (DBZ 169), P9.1-3
Cell: "Son Goku...Piccolo...and Vegeta's cells were collected during the fight when Vegeta and co. came to Earth..."
Piccolo: "...Goku, from back then huh?...So that's why your Kamehameha just now wasn't anything special..."
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May 29 2014, 08:29 PM
Ahh I see what you're saying. But this just means that no one knows for sure if goku couldn't have survived the heat of the explosion right?
It certainly is fair to say that Goku MIGHT survive a planet exploding around him. However, even that is just a fraction of the heat the sun gives off. I am more than willing to say Goku could possibly survive a planetary self destruct but he can't stand anywhere near the sun and not have the fat layer of his body ignite spontaeneously.

What some may not know from not being taught the physics behind it is that pure heat is enough to make something ignite in Spontaeneous Combustion. The molecules in a substance can be vibrated (heated) to such a degree they spontaenously release energy. Some such objects will catch flame. Others will explode. In the case of fat, it will ignite in a grease fire. And since fat is under the skin, it would ignite under the skin. Among other things, it would scorch the bone, cook the muscle and flash-fry some of the more moist organs.
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There's someone else who might be able to survive the Sun, Janemba. His matter manipulation can help him out a lot here. I'm not sure if he will survive, but he has a better chance than Goku

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Plenty of verses can defy physics, MLP being one of them(filling a glass from the top down, drinking a solid, causing an explosion which instead of creating light creates darkness, among other such crap)
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I'd be willing to think Janemba possibly could although I was speaking more of canon sources, as even non-canon sources show that the sun is an MFer even to Solar System tier opponents. *cough*Broly*cough*
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I thought Kaio only said that in the anime? You'd have a decent argument if you point out the line in the manga. At the same time he still had IT against Cell so I'd have trouble buying it even then.
You talking to me or TConnor? If you're talking to me, here's king kais statement
Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P5.2
Kaio: “Nobody can survive where there’s no planet…Except for Freeza…”
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May 29 2014, 08:42 PM
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May 29 2014, 08:36 PM
I thought Kaio only said that in the anime? You'd have a decent argument if you point out the line in the manga. At the same time he still had IT against Cell so I'd have trouble buying it even then.
Chapter: 363 (DBZ 169), P9.1-3
Cell: "Son Goku...Piccolo...and Vegeta's cells were collected during the fight when Vegeta and co. came to Earth..."
Piccolo: "...Goku, from back then huh?...So that's why your Kamehameha just now wasn't anything special..."
That was directed at the breathing in space thing lol.

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May 29 2014, 08:57 PM
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May 29 2014, 08:36 PM
I thought Kaio only said that in the anime? You'd have a decent argument if you point out the line in the manga. At the same time he still had IT against Cell so I'd have trouble buying it even then.
Chapter: 363 (DBZ 169), P9.1-3
Cell: "Son Goku...Piccolo...and Vegeta's cells were collected during the fight when Vegeta and co. came to Earth..."
Piccolo: "...Goku, from back then huh?...So that's why your Kamehameha just now wasn't anything special..."
That was directed at the breathing in space thing lol.
oh lol, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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