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Weakest Dbz Character to survive the sun
Topic Started: May 27 2014, 10:28 PM (7,784 Views)
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May 29 2014, 01:08 PM
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/how-close-could-person-get-sun-and-survive

The way they make this sound, it sounds like you would indeed feel all the heat from the sun the closer you get. And I don't see what's the point of trying to say ki is heat based seeing as how all it does is create explosions....

Anyways, not sure how everyone SPC tier and up are going to survive the heat...they have no visible heat resistance. Only Freeza and Boo have shown that. Not our fleshy heroes.
Ki attacks don't only explode. They're concussive force too.

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May 29 2014, 02:08 PM
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May 29 2014, 01:08 PM
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/how-close-could-person-get-sun-and-survive

The way they make this sound, it sounds like you would indeed feel all the heat from the sun the closer you get. And I don't see what's the point of trying to say ki is heat based seeing as how all it does is create explosions....

Anyways, not sure how everyone SPC tier and up are going to survive the heat...they have no visible heat resistance. Only Freeza and Boo have shown that. Not our fleshy heroes.
Ki attacks don't only explode. They're concussive force too.

Cell has friezas DNA
Well obviously it's going to have a concussive force. I don't think there's an explosion that doesn't involve concussive force in some degree.

As I've said before you can make an argument for Cell, but Freeza and Boo have feats for their claims.
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May 29 2014, 02:08 PM
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May 29 2014, 01:08 PM
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/how-close-could-person-get-sun-and-survive

The way they make this sound, it sounds like you would indeed feel all the heat from the sun the closer you get. And I don't see what's the point of trying to say ki is heat based seeing as how all it does is create explosions....

Anyways, not sure how everyone SPC tier and up are going to survive the heat...they have no visible heat resistance. Only Freeza and Boo have shown that. Not our fleshy heroes.
Ki attacks don't only explode. They're concussive force too.

Cell has friezas DNA
Well obviously it's going to have a concussive force. I don't think there's an explosion that doesn't involve concussive force in some degree.

As I've said before you can make an argument for Cell, but Freeza and Boo have feats for their claims.
Sorry I used the wrong words. What I meant was that somem times ki blasts are just kind of blunt force. Like when buutenks knocked back mystic gohan's blast through the planet. It's not a big deal
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Ok I will. Again, let it be. It is quite funny that you constantly braging about that you know that Akira has problem with inconsistency of feats in his manga, yet the first thing you do when I pointed out that Moon in DB, must be smaller you use Akira statement. Fine, let it be.

Still you are trying your best to omit another important thing. I asked you twice, why you don't focus on all factors needed here. You want to proof that your statement is true, that you purposely remove all important factors. I don't want to suprise you but the argument made by you can be destroyed by High School student with average knowledge of biology, as I already said twice. You are right that heat is an energy. To be more specific though it is a transfer of energry from body A to body B where A has higher temperature than B.That is true. It is true also that heat is connected with movement of molecules, where the higher temperature is, the movement is faster. It is also correct that heat is presented in joules. It is also correct.

The problem is though that you forget that heat is related not only with physical units but also with biology. As I said human body is build mainly with water and proteins. Those two things reacts strongly on heat. As I pointed out to you before, temperature of body higher than 42 celcius will kill human being. Why? Proteins will be destroyed. The same with saiyans. Anyway I can provide you with easier example of that. On our planet are beings which can survive huge transfer of energy, like these who lives thousands of meters underwater. Yet all of them will be burned to a crisp by flamethrower flame despite the fact that they can survive the effects of much larger energies. The same goes with human. The car driving with a speed of 80 km/h transfer the energy of 144 500 J at the moment of the impact. Yet there are examples of people who survived such hit. At the same time these "superhumans" would be killed by 43 degrees of celcius in their body despite the fact that the hit>temperature of their body in terms of energy. Now is it clear enough for you?[/quote]
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I honestly don't get what's so hard to understand here. Heat is not something that Ki can defend against. Ki is force. We only see scorch marks because of the friction caused by that force. I know GT probably isn't a good example, but San Xing Long can cool his Ki to below zero temperatures, while Si Xing Long can heat it to a level of 6,000 degrees Celsius. GT also tells us that Goku isn't immune to temperatures above the surface of the Sun. He's clearly affected by such an intense amount of heat. Ki is metaphysical; it does not have to conform to the laws of physics. Also, Superman... really? The guy absorbs radiation form the Sun, naturally he resists heat <_< .
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Yet there are examples of people who survived such hit. At the same time these "superhumans" would be killed by 43 degrees of celcius in their body despite the fact that the hit>temperature of their body in terms of energy. Now is it clear enough for you

Umm sorry but no. Goku tanked the heat of a get engine, which produces around 800 degree(Celsius) temperatures. Saiyajin anatomy, or perhaps even Ki, clearly allows for at least some heat resistance.
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I don't think anyone except Frieza, Cell, Buu, and Kaioshin(s) can withstand the sun's heat. now if you're referring to the energy admitted by the sun itself then everyone who's more powerful then Super Perfect Cell.
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Water and protein in your body will be broken down by heat regardless of your physical durability. It's physics. You can't change the evaporating temperature of water with a high power level. Durability doesn't come into it.


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May 29 2014, 12:30 PM
You won't convince me that Goku can walk on the sun's surface. Ever.
That's cool denial is step 1 to acceptance

@pelador the heat can't damage you internally because their body is alreadyeady more durable to begin with

Heat isn't a factor energy is

So it seems everyone is too caught up to actual rebute my points

Instead they go by low ends and say the sun is too hot lol
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Rubbish, if you knew so much about heat energy then you'd understand that heat passes through solid objects.


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May 29 2014, 06:03 PM
Rubbish, if you knew so much about heat energy then you'd understand that heat passes through solid objects.
Your ignoring these objects are much more durable than the output of the sun every second

But you'll ignore that as well so.....
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King Kakarot do your calculations take into account heat? All your calculating is a virtually heatless substance and assuming thats how they react to heat as well. Which is flawed.
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May 29 2014, 06:11 PM
King Kakarot do your calculations take into account heat? All your calculating is a virtually heatless substance and assuming thats how they react to heat as well. Which is flawed.
As I said on the first page or second I only mentioned JUST the heat I didn't take into account radiation in space as s well as the lack of oxygen JUST the heat of the sun

Which once again is 91 petatons

It's just everyone here thinks heat magically surpasses durability so I'll ask this question again

If someone has galaxy lvl durability and he HAS SHOWN NO HEAT FEATS WHATSOEVER do you think the heat of our sun is going to kill him?

Someone answer that
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May 29 2014, 06:16 PM
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King Kakarot do your calculations take into account heat? All your calculating is a virtually heatless substance and assuming thats how they react to heat as well. Which is flawed.
As I said on the first page or second I only mentioned JUST the heat I didn't take into account radiation in space as s well as the lack of oxygen JUST the heat of the sun

Which once again is 91 petatons

It's just everyone here thinks heat magically surpasses durability so I'll ask this question again

If someone has galaxy lvl durability and he HAS SHOWN NO HEAT FEATS WHATSOEVER do you think the heat of our sun is going to kill him?

Someone answer that
Martian Manhunter is all I have to say to that second statement.

Your OP is flawed heavily seeing as how the only reason you would feel heat in space is because of radiation. Juuuuuuust saying.

Heat acts differently thank just boom explosion, which your calcs fail to take into account. Ki blasts show no characteristics of heat besides what Stark has already brought up and the only feat we have for heat resistance is jet fuel or rocket fuel. There is no further statements or feats regarding heat that furthers their durability to it, if anything we see that their heat resistance LOWERS. Your calculations are great and all but just like Death Battle that's all they are...and there is nothing ala statements and feats to back it up. If anything they go against it.
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May 29 2014, 06:23 PM
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King Kakarot do your calculations take into account heat? All your calculating is a virtually heatless substance and assuming thats how they react to heat as well. Which is flawed.
As I said on the first page or second I only mentioned JUST the heat I didn't take into account radiation in space as s well as the lack of oxygen JUST the heat of the sun

Which once again is 91 petatons

It's just everyone here thinks heat magically surpasses durability so I'll ask this question again

If someone has galaxy lvl durability and he HAS SHOWN NO HEAT FEATS WHATSOEVER do you think the heat of our sun is going to kill him?

Someone answer that
Martian Manhunter is all I have to say to that second statement.

Your OP is flawed heavily seeing as how the only reason you would feel heat in space is because of radiation. Juuuuuuust saying.

Heat acts differently thank just boom explosion, which your calcs fail to take into account. Ki blasts show no characteristics of heat besides what Stark has already brought up and the only feat we have for heat resistance is jet fuel or rocket fuel. There is no further statements or feats regarding heat that furthers their durability to it, if anything we see that their heat resistance LOWERS. Your calculations are great and all but just like Death Battle that's all they are...and there is nothing ala statements and feats to back it up. If anything they go against it.
Here we go

MM has a psychological problem to heat also nice red herring there bud

So nice job ignoring my question

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I'm not saying that ki blasts are hotter than the sun

Ki blasts carry energy JUST LIKE THE SUN which is only 91 petatons per second WHICH IS LESS THAN WHAT IT TAKES TO BLOW UP THE MOON lol

Ki does affect heat did you not see kid goku tank fire from an engine?

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