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Weakest Dbz Character to survive the sun
Topic Started: May 27 2014, 10:28 PM (7,788 Views)
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May 28 2014, 02:11 AM
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No DBZ character, possibly save for Boo, Cell, and Freeza, can survive it.

The heat the Sun emits is monstrous, Raditz would be cooked alive.

Also, how long are we talking about? Because indefinitely, I can only see Boo, Omega Shenron, and Nova Shenron surviving
wut?

the sun only emits

3.8x10^26 Joules every second(91 Petatons)

How did you come to the conclusion raditz would die from that?

heat is a form of energy that can be mesured in Joules

HEAT DOES NOT BYPASS DURABILITY

edit:It's funny how people overestimate the sun's ability the only problem is the lack of oxygen and the radiation but other than that the sun isn't the powerful in terms of energy
Heat doesn't scale like that. If someone smashes me in the face with a hammer, it'll kill me quicker than getting blasted by a flamethrower. I'd still die either way, but the flamethrower cooks you, the hammer smashes you

DBZ characters already have trouble in ROSAT temperatures
Like Havoc said, the jets are far higher than what Goku "noted" not "warned" or "complained" about in the ROSAT.
We can treat that seriously or as a gag feat. Was it in a serious instance? I haven't read DB, so I don't know if it's like Hercule tanking Boo's punch
Even if DB it is a gag manga ever instance isn't a gag, the post Havoc provided is a clear illustration of seriousness.
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Goku getting caught in the jet blast doesn't look like a gag to me either. The real question is, how hot was that? The surface of the sun is about 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit I think
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The problem is that blast from jet engines is a cold tea in comparison to sun temperature. We know that saiyans note high temperature, even about 50 celcius is quite problematic for them as said by Goku, Gohan and Trunks. Anime is better here, because it presented multiple instances in which characters were burned and they were suffering from that. Anyway, no one besides Buu, Cell and maybe Frieza is able to withstand it. Why? Later simple, biology doesn't allow them to do so. Body of saiyans and humans is pretty similar. For human being, deadly temperature is above 60 in atmosphere and 42 in their bodies. It is the moment in which proteins congeals, and that process basically kill every mamal. Saiyans are probably similar. Obviously the can use ki to protect themselves, but for how long? Kuririn, Tien and Yamcha are no contest here. Maybe Kuririn with his high power level would be able to withstand it even for a few minutes before he deploy all his ki. Then he will be death in miliseconds.
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The problem is that blast from jet engines is a cold tea in comparison to sun temperature. We know that saiyans note high temperature, even about 50 celcius is quite problematic for them as said by Goku, Gohan and Trunks. Anime is better here, because it presented multiple instances in which characters were burned and they were suffering from that. Anyway, no one besides Buu, Cell and maybe Frieza is able to withstand it. Why? Later simple, biology doesn't allow them to do so. Body of saiyans and humans is pretty similar. For human being, deadly temperature is above 60 in atmosphere and 42 in their bodies. It is the moment in which proteins congeals, and that process basically kill every mamal. Saiyans are probably similar. Obviously the can use ki to protect themselves, but for how long? Kuririn, Tien and Yamcha are no contest here. Maybe Kuririn with his high power level would be able to withstand it even for a few minutes before he deploy all his ki. Then he will be death in miliseconds.
6,000 degrees F more so than what others believe he was incapable of taking or withstanding in the ROSAT.
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May 28 2014, 06:22 AM
Goku getting caught in the jet blast doesn't look like a gag to me either. The real question is, how hot was that? The surface of the sun is about 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit I think
A jet exhaust blast from a modern Jet can reach temperatures of 1,300 degrees C (~2,300 degrees F), if I'm not mistaken.

At the core of the Sun, the temperature is around 15,000,000 degrees C (~27,000,000 degrees F).
The Sun's surface - the photosphere - is about 5,500 degrees C (~10,000 degrees F). Above the photosphere, lies the chromosphere and the corona. Here, temperature increases with altitude, reaching as high as 2,000,000 degrees C (~3,600,000 degrees F).
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To be fair, if we're going to use petatons of energy and whatnot, we should also use what would happen if you fire off blasts or even bring the heat of the sun into any sort of point on this planet. If for instance you bring the heat of the core of the sun for just a fraction of a second onto a point as small as the tip of a needle, you would cause an explosion that would take out the entirety of the United States...however this is not shown in DBZ. So why should I believe that the "heat" they show and the heat resistance they show is anywhere that of the sun? Saying that is taking a potshot at a heat resistance number. The only people we see that don't burn to a crisp, can breath in space, can survive space itself after taking pucktons of punishment is Freeza and Boo. That's it, nothing else. You can make the argument for Cell since he has Freeza's DNA. Just my thoughts however.

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Well, the hottest temperature of a jet engine is around 800 degrees Celsius. Multiply that by 8 and you get the surface of the sun. I'm not sure how heat resistance scales, but hey, we got ourselves a starting point.
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To be fair, if we're going to use petatons of energy and whatnot, we should also use what would happen if you fire off blasts or even bring the heat of the sun into any sort of point on this planet. If for instance you bring the heat of the core of the sun for just a fraction of a second onto a point as small as the tip of a needle, you would cause an explosion that would take out the entirety of the United States...however this is not shown in DBZ. So why should I believe that the "heat" they show and the heat resistance they show is anywhere that of the sun? Saying that is taking a potshot at a heat resistance number. The only people we see that don't burn to a crisp, can breath in space, can survive space itself after taking pucktons of punishment is Freeza and Boo. That's it, nothing else. You can make the argument for Cell since he has Freeza's DNA. Just my thoughts however.

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I don't think anyone actually gets how the sun works

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The sun is a form of energy that can be measured in joules.

Also moving tgr sun closer to earth will not instant ly destroy earth we would lose continents but it won't destroy earth right away.

The gravitational binding for earth is 2×10^32 J much more than what the sun releases every second 3.8x10^26 J
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Heat is a factor though. I can assure you that Tao Pai Pai can survive the explosion of the grenade he threw at Goku based on the energy output alone. What killed him was the heat of the explosion.
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May 28 2014, 02:47 PM
Heat is a factor though. I can assure you that Tao Pai Pai can survive the explosion of the grenade he threw at Goku based on the energy output alone. What killed him was the heat of the explosion.
You see that's a misconception heat isn't something that ignores durability

It's not some sort if form of hax

Authors in fiction mistake that all the time

91 petatons is the output every second of the sun

Are you really going to say 91 petatons is going to hurt raditz?
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I said the heat of the sun bud, not some sort of jueles you're trying to apply it to. Not even sure why we're trying to bring science into something like dragonball anyway.

Saying that heat durability and other durability's are one in the same is ludicrous. If that were the case you'd get knocked out from a flame touching you much the same as a boxer punching you. Does that happen? No. Do DBZ characters have lacking durabilities? Yes.

The biggest and most glaring example is Vegeta back in the Saiyan Arc. Vegeta is arguably a Planet Buster, and even in his weakened state a continent buster. HOWEVER, he got f'd up pretty god damn bad by Oozaru Gohan landing on top of him. What does this tell you?

How does that even relate to heat whatsoever? Ki obviously doesn't show the characteristics of heat if they're shooting beams that are by your numbers thousands of times hotter than the sun. How's that make any sense? The Earth would literally melt under the heat of it.

There's a saying around here that I love oh so much. Statements are fact until a feat or another statement contradicts said statement. And so far all I'm seeing is alot of calcs, and very few applicable feats to prove it.
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Heat is a factor though. I can assure you that Tao Pai Pai can survive the explosion of the grenade he threw at Goku based on the energy output alone. What killed him was the heat of the explosion.
You see that's a misconception heat isn't something that ignores durability

It's not some sort if form of hax

Authors in fiction mistake that all the time

91 petatons is the output every second of the sun

Are you really going to say 91 petatons is going to hurt raditz?
Or you know, you're making a mistake. You can't just say, "well the author didn't know what the f*** he was doing, sooooo... I'm right he's wrong." You cannot prove that Ki blocks heat so how can you say Toriyama f***ed up?
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Wtf....

Temperature alone means nothing by itself

I'm not saying thier beams are thousands of times hotter than the Sun


What I'm saying which most of you just can't seem to understand is that the Sun can be measured in joules

Our Sun even though it's millions of degrees only produces 91 petatons every second that's nothing to dbz characters.

So is everyone going to sit here and tell me heat is going to magically burn them when its only 91 petatons?

Guys like raditz can tank thousands of petatons no problem

You guys are just to caught up on the degrees if the sun and ignore that its output per second forr all those millions degrees is less than moon level

Edit:@ Prince energy output is 91petatons that is contradicted in every single fight in dbz

Akira has the same viewpoints as you guys they overrated
The sun when in all reality it's not that powerful
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I've been under the assumption you meant they were taking on all 15 million degrees Celsius in applicable form all at once. :lol:
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