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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 29 2014, 05:12 PM Post #16 |
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Mecha Freeza: 140,000,000 King Cold: 100,000,000 Trunks: 3,500,000 -175,000,000 Goku: 3,600,000 -180,000,000 Vegeta: 2,700,000 Piccolo: 1,800,000 Gohan: 300,000 Kuririn: 100,000 Tenshinhan: 72,000 Yamcha: 45,000 Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, May 29 2014, 05:21 PM.
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| SSJ | May 30 2014, 12:57 AM Post #17 |
 
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May I ask why? And also, you don't think that Gohan kept any of his rage power? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 30 2014, 01:07 AM Post #18 |
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Freeza seems to think he'll need his father to fight Goku. I don't feel the need to have him be any stronger than that. In regards to point 2, I ask what? When has Gohan ever kept any power from a rage boost? |
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| SSJ | May 30 2014, 01:08 AM Post #19 |
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Because Gohan was steadily powering up. He was already considered to be a help against First Form Freeza, and then he received a large Zenkai on top of his potential being unlocked. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 30 2014, 01:15 AM Post #20 |
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And I believe he stopped powering up at a certain point, then received a Zenkai. |
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| SSJ | May 30 2014, 01:30 AM Post #21 |
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Proof incoming! Let's pretend that Gohan began his fight with second form Freeza at 300,000, which is the number you listed. Gohan became enraged, and was enough to hit Freeza multiple times, and send him to the ground. Mind you, this Freeza was barely over a million, but I believe this places rage Gohan over 800k. Freeza then beats the s*** out of the weaker normal Gohan, and causes him to receive a Zenkai. Keep in mind, Vegeta said this about rage Gohan: Chapter: 297 (DBZ 103), P11.2 Context: after Gohan snaps and beats up second form Freeza Vegeta: “Un…unbelievable…That brat…So he can draw out this much power when he goes into a frenzy and loses his reason…?! Don’t tell me that he’s the one closest to Super Saiyan…” So Vegeta goes right ahead and calls him the strongest, placing him at least over 530k. After the Zenkai, Vegeta says this: Chapter: 299 (DBZ 105), P13.1 Context: after Gohan is healed by Dende Vegeta: “Heh…Just as you’d expect of someone with Saiyan blood, after reviving his battle power has greatly risen…A-alright! Luck is turning our way just a little bit…” Rage Gohan wasn't even enough to do much to 2nd Form Freeza, but Vegeta bought that this new Zenkai Gohan could make a difference. And that was without counting rage. Next up, Gohan went toe to toe with 3rd Form Freeza, and I don't see evidence of a rage boost. Spoiler: click to toggle Gohan is actually in control of his emotions, and his acts, which tells me that he isn't being controlled by rage. This is backed up by the compliments from Freeza and Piccolo. Freeza: “That’s strange…That squirt shouldn’t have had so much battle power…He’s become like a different person after returning to life from the brink of death…” Chapter: 303 (DBZ 109), P10.2-3 Context: after Freeza repels Gohan’s attack Piccolo: “He bounced that back, but…You’ve become strong, Gohan…I’m happy…” Gohan: “B-but it wasn’t any use…I put all my force into that, but…It didn’t affect Freeza…” Notice how when Vegeta complimented Rage Gohan who fought 2nd Form Freeza, he clearly complimented his rage ability? In this case, both Freeza and Piccolo compliment Gohan's regular power. And this was a Piccolo who was at least 1.3 million in battle power. Also Gohan's calm statement at the end of the quote shows to me that he was definitely in control of his own battle power. He wasn't just acting on instinct. Chapter: 303 (DBZ 109), P10.5 Freeza: “I don’t believe stupid legends like the Super Saiyan, the strongest in history, but I don’t feel too good…The squirt and Vegeta really are steadily getting stronger, after all..." Also I thought I would throw in this quote because Freeza confirms that Gohan is still steadily getting stronger, so the potential unlock is still playing a part in this. So in short, Base Gohan gets complimented after Vegeta had seen the rage boosted Gohan who knocked 2nd Form Freeza around, so he should be a lot more relevant than 300k. Edited by SSJ, May 30 2014, 01:32 AM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 30 2014, 01:38 AM Post #22 |
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Well, to be honest. Having looked at this, I still don't feel the need to change it. Freeza referencing Gohan's power being greater after getting that Zenkai is still taking into account his rage boost, not his zenkai power alone.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, May 30 2014, 01:53 AM.
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| SSJ | May 30 2014, 01:56 AM Post #23 |
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Freeza is not considering the rage. Gohan wasn't enraged after getting his Zenkai, he was using his own power. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 30 2014, 01:58 AM Post #24 |
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I'm gonna stop you right there. Gohan is clearly angry. To a lesser degree sure, which is why I have the boost smaller, but he's still angry nonetheless. Freeza is referencing Gohan's rage boost as far as I'm concerned. |
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| SSJ | May 30 2014, 02:01 AM Post #25 |
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Chapter: 303 (DBZ 109), P10.2-3 Context: after Freeza repels Gohan’s attack Piccolo: “He bounced that back, but…You’ve become strong, Gohan…I’m happy…” Gohan: “B-but it wasn’t any use…I put all my force into that, but…It didn’t affect Freeza…” Gohan says that he was the one putting the force to the blast, saying there was no other force contributing to it. Piccolo confirms this by complimenting his strength. As I said in my long post, Vegeta clearly complemented Gohan's rage against 2nd Form Freeza. In this case, it is Gohan's power that is complemented. Edited by SSJ, May 30 2014, 02:01 AM.
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Also Freeza is referring to the Zenkai, when he said he "becomes like a different person after returning to life from the brink of death". |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 30 2014, 02:04 AM Post #27 |
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What does this quote prove? Gohan put all of his power into that blast, so what? Does that somehow mean he's not angry when he's clearly screaming, "Die Freeza!"? I honestly don't understand for one second how you could come to the conclusion that Gohan is somehow not angry because he said he put all of his power into his attack =/. Gohan's rage boosts ARE his power.
Yup, he's gotten stronger. I still don't see how you guys are coming to the conclusion that this means Gohan received no rage boost =/. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, May 30 2014, 02:06 AM.
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| SSJ | May 30 2014, 02:06 AM Post #28 |
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So because he is mad means he gets a rage boost? I suggest you reread the portions of the manga where Gohan gets a rage boost. He basically loses consciousness and the ability to act on his own will. Going back to the Saiyan arc, he even forgets the feats that he accomplishes while enraged. Being angry is meaningless, because Gohan did not share the qualities that he had when he was being fuelled by rage. The statement tops it off, because Gohan is showing that he was in control. |
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| + Emmeth | May 30 2014, 02:07 AM Post #29 |
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I thought it was universally accepted Gohan was around the 1m mark when he came home from Namek. It seems unlikely that the potential unlock only unlocked about 250k. |
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| SSJ | May 30 2014, 02:09 AM Post #30 |
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Anger does not mean rage boost, Prince. Gohan says it himself in the Boo arc. He says that he was angry, but not like he was against Cell, meaning he couldn't get a rage boost. Gohan is still able to fight angrily without being boosted in power. |
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