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The argument of Frieza>Base Saiyans.
Topic Started: May 27 2014, 08:33 AM (4,448 Views)
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

I personally am not a huge fan of base Saiyans getting above Freeza, but also don't believe in SSj multipliers.
I have this opinion that SSj is increased independently from base, and has little or nothing to do with base at all.
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Alex KloonBoss
May 27 2014, 08:19 PM
So we're done?
With posts like yours and Itachi's, there's probably little to no point in discussing anything.
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May 27 2014, 09:06 PM
Alex KloonBoss
May 27 2014, 08:19 PM
So we're done?
With posts like yours and Itachi's, there's probably little to no point in discussing anything.

Don't be so sensitive. I didn't mean 'done' with "we won the discussion, or whatever u think of" , the OP had a lot sarcasm, pretty difficult to keep further or not. If u wanna go further, with whatever you like to do, go ahead, because I'm enjoying this.
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Someone was backed into a corner and the response was, "I am sarcastic."

No point in further discussion.
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I wasn't backed into a corner, I knew what I was doing the whole time.

Also, if you're going to call me out then do it right.

@Alex. Which part are you enjoying, the sarcasm or how this Thread turned out?
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May 27 2014, 09:53 PM
I wasn't backed into a corner, I knew what I was doing the whole time.

Also, if you're going to call me out then do it right.

@Alex. Which part are you enjoying, the sarcasm or how this Thread turned out?


Nah, it wasn't refered to you. The idea of this thread was good, it is worth discussing even if it had sarcasm on it.
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Personally I believe Base Saiyans > Freeza myself at the moment, but I honestly don't think it's as 100% conclusive as some people think. A lot of the evidence for base Saiyans > Freeza comes from "X is stronger than Y so Z is also stronger than Y" rather than any flatout statements. If we got a completely clear statement from Toriyama saying Freeza > Base Saiyans I could make it fit, make Kaioshin talk about first form Freeza, Android 18 holding back etc. It's stuff I would never truly believe otherwise, and it would take a lot of logic failures though logic was never Toriyama's strong point, but it is still possible to make happen.

BoG isn't a completely perfect statement imo though, for one thing the scene is a little...weird. Why is Beerus checking Goku's muscles? Is Goku suppressed? etc. Not to mention we don't know exactly how the line got in there, was it Toriyama or someone else? Did Toriyama read it and was fine with it? We might never know.

As of right now Buu saga seems to point to base Saiyans been stronger moreso than anything else saying the opposite, but I'd be fine with the opposite being true.
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Yeah, putting all sarcasm and kidding aside. It's a coin flip between the two, because you have multiple implications that Base saiyans shot up like a rocket, but you have AT saying in BOG that they didn't, but when that's said Kakarrot has been known to suppress his power when not in combat and going by what we already know, he wouldn't have any need to be powered up during that scene.
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And instead of proving him wrong, he just accepts it and powers up to SSJ to disprove him.

SSJ > Frieza > Base
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May 27 2014, 10:25 PM
And instead of proving him wrong, he just accepts it and powers up to SSJ to disprove him.

SSJ > Frieza > Base

Yeah dude whatever. What did you prove?
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sekzee
May 27 2014, 10:25 PM
And instead of proving him wrong, he just accepts it and powers up to SSJ to disprove him.

SSJ > Frieza > Base
Why would he waste his time powering up to prove Bills wrong when Bills is monstrously stronger than anyone he's ever faced before? He wanted to fight, he got more satisfaction from powering up and charging into battle instead of proving somebody wrong. No real issue there.
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May 27 2014, 10:29 PM
sekzee
May 27 2014, 10:25 PM
And instead of proving him wrong, he just accepts it and powers up to SSJ to disprove him.

SSJ > Frieza > Base
Why would he waste his time powering up to prove Bills wrong when Bills is monstrously stronger than anyone he's ever faced before? He wanted to fight, he got more satisfaction from powering up and charging into battle instead of proving somebody wrong. No real issue there.
Wait a second, did King Kai actually say Beerus was stronger than anyone Goku faced before? Somewhat off topic, but if this is true, then when Goku says SSj3 might be too much for Beerus is he basically saying SSj2 Goku > Kid Buu?
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May 27 2014, 10:31 PM
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May 27 2014, 10:25 PM
And instead of proving him wrong, he just accepts it and powers up to SSJ to disprove him.

SSJ > Frieza > Base
Why would he waste his time powering up to prove Bills wrong when Bills is monstrously stronger than anyone he's ever faced before? He wanted to fight, he got more satisfaction from powering up and charging into battle instead of proving somebody wrong. No real issue there.
Wait a second, did King Kai actually say Beerus was stronger than anyone Goku faced before? Somewhat off topic, but if this is true, then when Goku says SSj3 might be too much for Beerus is he basically saying SSj2 Goku > Kid Buu?
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Clearin
May 27 2014, 10:31 PM
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May 27 2014, 10:29 PM
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May 27 2014, 10:25 PM
And instead of proving him wrong, he just accepts it and powers up to SSJ to disprove him.

SSJ > Frieza > Base
Why would he waste his time powering up to prove Bills wrong when Bills is monstrously stronger than anyone he's ever faced before? He wanted to fight, he got more satisfaction from powering up and charging into battle instead of proving somebody wrong. No real issue there.
Wait a second, did King Kai actually say Beerus was stronger than anyone Goku faced before? Somewhat off topic, but if this is true, then when Goku says SSj3 might be too much for Beerus is he basically saying SSj2 Goku > Kid Buu?
That's over analyzing a DragonBall Movie.
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But you guys are not by saying he was suppressed?

Oh, and Kaio is wrong anyway. Whis > Beerus.

Goku completely dismissed what he said. He probably thought he would be weak like East Kaioshin.
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