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| + Emmeth | May 27 2014, 07:11 AM Post #16 |
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Battle of Gods outright states it, without going into details. It contradicts Cell arc and Cell arc contradicts BoG. Choose to believe what you want. |
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| Saberoph | May 27 2014, 07:24 AM Post #17 |
 
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So, AT is contradicting himself... which means his work isn't reliable then. We have about half of the Cell arc and all the Boo arc VS one move... well, looks like there's more evidence in his past work then that one movie which isn't technically officially canon, so until it is it's not reliable. |
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| + Emmeth | May 27 2014, 07:27 AM Post #18 |
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The way you work numbers contradicts it, not the official media itself. You can easily make it work with a 50x multiplier for SSjin, you just need to find the correct power-scaling. |
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| Saberoph | May 27 2014, 07:42 AM Post #19 |
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That still wouldn't explain it because Cell is suppose to be leaps and bounds over Frieza and so are the Androids and the Cyborgs and so is Boo. You can't say someone is leaps and bounds beyond someone but then say the Base is still super low but give them a x50 Multiplier... that logic is completely flawed even by TOEI's standards, it doesn't add up. At the end of the day AT completely contradicted himself and his previous work has quite a lot of evidence proving this... which does make that line not reliable, loot at it this way. You have a small sized body builder pick up a Volkswagen, then over time with increases you see them pick up a Stationwagon, then increasing even more a Truck, then another increase picking up an armored care, then one final increase picking up a tank. Years later the judge that was there all of a sudden says no, he wasn't able to pick up the Volkswagen to begin with, when we did see those increases and the feats to back it up. It's also to note that the BOG screenplay was written by Yûsuke Watanabe, AT may have wrote along with him, but not by himself and the fact that it was directed by TOEI brings serious question into it being canon. |
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| + Emmeth | May 27 2014, 07:56 AM Post #20 |
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Like I said, it's up to you to decide what you want to believe. Besides, we are going off-topic. |
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| Saberoph | May 27 2014, 07:59 AM Post #21 |
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That still doesn't take away you have a bunch of evidence VS one little shred of it. To chose the smaller evidence makes no sense at all and would also go against al lot of what's been debated so far in this very forum. Let me ask you this, what if it's stated that BOG isn't canon, what then? |
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| + Emmeth | May 27 2014, 08:02 AM Post #22 |
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Doesn't matter, since it's not directly stated that Base Saiyans are stronger than Freeza by the time of Boo arc. Only when AT himself says that they are indeed stronger, only then will I change my mind. /eod back to topic 
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| Saberoph | May 27 2014, 08:07 AM Post #23 |
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It does matter, because that logic is completely fail and going by that logic then GT is canon because AT did some work on it and the other movie are canon too because they're directed by TOEI... just because AT works on it doesn't make it a canon Movie. So, it does matter instead of trying to slide back into the topic instead of admitting you're completely ignoring the increases that take place from Frieza to EOZ. |
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| + Emmeth | May 27 2014, 08:13 AM Post #24 |
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Just accept that some people don't see it that way. It's not ignoring anything, it's just believing something else. But for the third time, let's get back to topic. |
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| Gracek90 | May 27 2014, 08:16 AM Post #25 |
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First of all I have them at: Piccolo: 4 500 000 Vegeta: 4 600 000 Second thing, about you Saberoph. I don't know if you realized it but there are two groups of people. One who think that Base Saiyans>Frieza and others who think otherwise. I am in the second group even before BOG appeared. Anyway, if Akira work on it, then it is cannon isn't it? You can compare it with Star Wars where such characters like Ashoka or Marek are canon no matter if you like it or nor (and believe me, the problem with Billis statement is nothing compared to the lack of logic in the situation where Vader had secret student). Akira stated in BOG that Frieza>Base Saiyans and I don't see a reason to not to belive him. After all, this is his work. He can do whatever he want. By the way. It is entirely possible to fit with the statements about power scalling made in manga and still have Base Saiyans below Frieza. I made such list by myself and I ended with Base Goku around 70 000 000. |
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| Saberoph | May 27 2014, 08:16 AM Post #26 |
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If you're so intent on saying Base Saiyans are that low... then I want to see you show me in the Manga where a Super Saiyan's power can go leaps and bounds and the Base not increase at all. Now remember the Manga is what AT had to work with when making BOG, so BOG is based of AT's original and officially canon work. As for the topic I don't believe Kakarrot meant Vegeta or Piccolo beat Frieza since he did only sense Trunks and only him stand up to Frieza. Edit: Gracek90 then that technically makes all the Movies and GT canon too, because the Director of BOG did the Anime and all the other Movies, and AT worked on GT. Edited by Saberoph, May 27 2014, 08:18 AM.
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| + Emmeth | May 27 2014, 08:24 AM Post #27 |
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I'm just gonna base all of this on the fact that much like I can't prove you wrong, I can't prove you wrong. It's two different perspectives of a media we like to discuss. Base does increase. From Goku being 3m when starting to fight Freeza, to Freeza's 120m. A range from 3 to 120 is plenty to go on with a 50x SSjin multiplier and SSjin2 and SSjin3 on top of that. You could easily have the androids 3 times stronger than Freeza and Saiyans adjusted to whatever Cell is in his forms. For the movies, I do believe AT stated the movies (1-13) is side-stories. I don't think he said the same thing about BoG and from what I've seen in the movie it's not a side-story either, since the Namek fight is directly shown. I think from this point out, if you want to discuss this on, please make a new thread We've gone enough off-topic for one night 
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I think both can take it to base Goku on Namek by now...and both are extremely close to one another. The Mecha Freeza arc is actually 1 year and 260 days past the Freeza arc, not 1 year. Although I think Piccolo only trained for 1 year and just meditated and stuff the other 260 days while all the Nameks were around the Capsul Corp. |
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Jun 5 2014, 05:17 PM Post #29 |
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I think Piccolo has at least caught up to Vegeta more or less by now. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jun 5 2014, 05:22 PM Post #30 |
 
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Piccolo accepted a challenge to fight Vegeta, and Piccolo isn't dumb as we know. He shouldn't be far away from him. |
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