Piccolo and Vegeta (Trunks Saga)

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Piccolo and Vegeta (Trunks Saga)
Tweet Topic Started: May 27 2014, 03:02 AM (1,726 Views)
+ Emmeth	May 27 2014, 03:02 AM Post #1
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	How strong could these guys be? I'm not talking about a comparison perse, but I guess that's included. I want you to take Goku's quote into account here, maybe more than anything. Chapter: 334 (DBZ 140), P1.4 Goku: “Well at any rate, who was it who defeated Freeza? That was an incredible ki. Was it Piccolo? Or Vegeta?” Note: obviously it wasn't either, but it might be notable that Goku at least felt it conceivable that Piccolo did it. Even if you don't believe that it meant anything, please provide your views on this
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SSJ	May 27 2014, 03:05 AM Post #2
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I would say: Vegeta: 3,250,000 Piccolo: 3,000,000 I'm guessing Goku just figured whoever did it went back into a suppressed state after completing the task. I don't see a reason to place either of them too far ahead of Namek Goku though.



AA500	May 27 2014, 03:06 AM Post #3
Posts: 2,079 Group: Member Member #9,363 Joined: April 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified	Piccolo and Vegeta obviously at this point werent comparable to Freeza, but I think Goku assumed that they were the most likely to pull something off against Freeza since they were third and second strongest on Namek respectively, aside from him and Freeza of course. I'd put Piccolo and Vegeta probably ahead of Base Goku against Freeza, how much ahead I don't know exactly



+ Emmeth	May 27 2014, 03:09 AM Post #4
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Super Saiyan May 27 2014, 03:05 AM I would say: Vegeta: 3,250,000 Piccolo: 3,000,000 I'm guessing Goku just figured whoever did it went back into a suppressed state after completing the task. I don't see a reason to place either of them too far ahead of Namek Goku though. I don't see how this matters if Goku thought they could defeat Freeza.
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+ Saiyan Paladin	May 27 2014, 03:09 AM Post #5
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	A bit a head of Base Goku on Namek, or maybe right around that Goku. Either way, I'd put them close to each other at that point considering their little confrontation. Goku's reasoning for thinking it might've been one of them? He had no idea who Trunks was and knew Piccolo and Vegeta would be the next strongest behind himself. Edited by Saiyan Paladin, May 27 2014, 03:11 AM.



+ Emmeth	May 27 2014, 03:13 AM Post #6
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I know Goku is dense, but how could he believe that someone who was barely 2% of Freeza's full power while at Namek could defeat the tyrant? He must have some extreme belief in them
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SSJ	May 27 2014, 03:14 AM Post #7
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Emmeth May 27 2014, 03:09 AM Super Saiyan May 27 2014, 03:05 AM I would say: Vegeta: 3,250,000 Piccolo: 3,000,000 I'm guessing Goku just figured whoever did it went back into a suppressed state after completing the task. I don't see a reason to place either of them too far ahead of Namek Goku though. I don't see how this matters if Goku thought they could defeat Freeza. Pretty much Kingsley's reason. They were the strongest in the group a year ago, so Goku would be expecting one of them to complete the job. It's obvious they didn't though, so there is no reason for their ki to be high. Goku didn't even sense them you must keep in mind, the only person he sensed was Trunks.



+ Emmeth	May 27 2014, 03:16 AM Post #8
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I guess the quote wasn't supposed to stipulate their powers, but to introduce Trunks. Given that I believe Freeza always was stronger than Base Saiyans (up until BoG), I'm willing to accept them around 3-4m.
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+ Saiyan Paladin	May 27 2014, 03:17 AM Post #9
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* Ketchup Revenge	May 27 2014, 03:22 AM Post #10
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I personally have Piccolo and Vegeta both closer to 10 mil. Probably around 8. Piccolo was a considerable amount over 1 mil when we see him on Namek considering he had second form Freeza on the ropes, and Vegeta's just Vegeta. Piccolo states that he'd been training heavily for the most part for the previous year, and Vegeta probably did when he was out looking for Goku.
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+ Yusuke	May 27 2014, 03:24 AM Post #11
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	I have... Piccolo (Unweighted): 4,000,000-4,100,000 Vegeta: 4,100,000 Goku: 4,600,000 There's no way either Piccolo or Vegeta would have stood a chance against Frieza lol. Maybe he just said that because his Base was IMO close to the both of them.
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+ Emmeth	May 27 2014, 03:27 AM Post #12
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	The Assassin May 27 2014, 03:22 AM I personally have Piccolo and Vegeta both closer to 10 mil. Probably around 8. Piccolo was a considerable amount over 1 mil when we see him on Namek considering he had second form Freeza on the ropes, and Vegeta's just Vegeta. Piccolo states that he'd been training heavily for the most part for the previous year, and Vegeta probably did when he was out looking for Goku. As much as I like Piccolo, he was at the most 1,5m when he fought Piccolo. I don't think he could've gotten that much stronger in one year without a training partner.
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* Ketchup Revenge	May 27 2014, 04:41 AM Post #13
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Emmeth May 27 2014, 03:27 AM The Assassin May 27 2014, 03:22 AM I personally have Piccolo and Vegeta both closer to 10 mil. Probably around 8. Piccolo was a considerable amount over 1 mil when we see him on Namek considering he had second form Freeza on the ropes, and Vegeta's just Vegeta. Piccolo states that he'd been training heavily for the most part for the previous year, and Vegeta probably did when he was out looking for Goku. As much as I like Piccolo, he was at the most 1,5m when he fought Piccolo. I don't think he could've gotten that much stronger in one year without a training partner. He increased a decent amount in six months training by himself during the Saiyan Arc. Considering during that year, he increased somewhere around 7-8x, and since we really can't consider a 4 or 5 year old Gohan much of a challenge when it comes to a training partner, most of his nearly 7-8x increase was probably during that six months prior to him training Gohan. Gohan definitely got more out of the final six months than Piccolo did. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 27 2014, 04:42 AM.
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~~CheckMateIzGod~~	May 27 2014, 05:49 AM Post #14
Posts: 378 Group: Suspended Member #10,783 Joined: January 26, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dbz and many other show's What Browser do you use? i commute between many browser's Favourite Manga none	At this point of time Goku doesn't know much about vegeta.But he knows more about piccolo.And he knows of the fact that piccolo always trains like him.So goku assumes piccolo must have trained during that time and must have gotten stronger.He doesn't know much about vegeta so he assumes it must have been piccolo.
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Saberoph	May 27 2014, 06:10 AM Post #15
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Emmeth May 27 2014, 03:16 AM I guess the quote wasn't supposed to stipulate their powers, but to introduce Trunks. Given that I believe Freeza always was stronger than Base Saiyans (up until BoG), I'm willing to accept them around 3-4m. I still don't see how you have the Base Saiyans so low for that long, the gains in the Cell arc completely contradict that... since there isn't a magical number on top of the SS Multiplier, it's just x50 and that's it.
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