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| Team Four Star | May 26 2014, 10:25 PM Post #1 |
 
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Do you use different LSSJ multipliers for movie 8 and movie 10 Broly? |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 26 2014, 10:51 PM Post #2 |
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LSSj just Broly's version of SSj2. Of course the difference being that LSSj's properties are mainly based on physical power and not really ki strength (infinitely rising ki for LSSj is a misinterpreted fanboyism). However, it's hard to tell the difference. There's also no evidence that LSSj actually uses ki to stay transformed, even though it doesn't make sense why it wouldn't. I don't really see a reason to have LSSj ki level over 2x SSj, which is the same as SSj2. His SSj is obviously stronger than Gohan's considering that he could withstand Goten and Trunks's attacks while Gohan couldn't even withstand an onslaught from Goten. Therefore using the same multiplier for both SSj2 and LSSj, his LSSj would already be stronger than Gohan's SSj2. |
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| + Yusuke | May 26 2014, 11:03 PM Post #3 |
 
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I have the LSSJ multiplier similar to the USSJ one which I both believe to be inferior to SSJ2. Mainly because I see ASSJ, USSJ, and LSSJ as enhanced versions of SSJ where as SSJ2 completely breaks the SSJ wall with it's power and is seperate from the SSJ family. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 26 2014, 11:28 PM Post #4 |
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Actually, you need to consider that SSj2 is actually 2x FPSSj. I actually have Grade 2 at 2x SSj too, but since it's less efficient, the output isn't 2x. Grade 3 is even less efficient, even though it's stronger than Grade 2. And due to the fact that Grade 3 is simply an extension of SSj, as well as Grade 2, my multiplier for Grade 3 is 3x SSj, and while Grade 2 is 2x. FPSSj is more efficient, therefore not only is that much stronger than the latter forms, but SSj2 is even more efficient than Grade 2. |
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| + Yusuke | May 26 2014, 11:45 PM Post #5 |
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Personally, I use.. ASSJ: 1.5X SSJ USSJ: 1.7-1.9X SSJ (With Speed Loss) LSSJ: 1.7X SSJ (No Speed Loss) SSJ2: 2X SSJ I see SSJ2 better than all three of them because I see SSJ2 seperate from the SSJ family where as the others are inferior power ups that only serve to enhance SSJ to a certain degree and sometimes with speed loss. I always used the wall analogy. A/U/LSSJ only gets a certain amount up the SSJ wall where as SSJ2 completely breaks the SSJ wall with it's superior speed and power increase. |
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| + Kaboom | May 27 2014, 01:44 AM Post #6 |
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Nope, Broli just got stronger overall between movies. Through a combination of a healing boost (to cite Daizenshuu number... 6, I think) and the mutation that caused his gradual power growth throughout his life, in seven years he goes from — in my eyes — on-par with full-power Cell to a tiny bit above Super Saiyan 2 Goku. As for the multiplier, I just have SSJ Grade 3, LSSJ, and SSJ2 all share the same 100x boost, since I see them as all being the same power manifested in different ways. |
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| SSJ | May 27 2014, 02:00 AM Post #7 |
 
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Yes indeed, from Daizenshuu 6.
http://web.archive.org/web/20111104033219/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz06.php?m=13&id=dbz10 |
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| lunar2 | May 27 2014, 05:05 AM Post #8 |
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7.32x base, same as ssj2 in the cell/buu arc. |
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May 27 2014, 05:44 AM Post #9 |
 
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SSJ1: x50 speed:(+10) ASSJ: x55 speed: (+8)[Slower than normal ssj1] USSJ: x65 speed:(+5)[Slower than normal ssj1] LSSJ: x70 speed:(+11) SSJ2: x100 speed:(+20) |
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| lunar2 | May 28 2014, 05:49 AM Post #10 |
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you have a problem. normal ssj vegeta was about as powerful as initial semicell. he transformed ti assj, and cell powered up, but vegeta was still faster than cell. assj has to be faster than ssj. only ussj slows you down, and even then probably not below ssj, just below assj. |
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May 28 2014, 09:05 AM Post #11 |
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@lunar The SSj(and all other ssj transformations and branches) speed "Multiplier/adder" remains constant.Vegeta was faster because he trained and increased his "base form/normal state" speed. Hypothetical Example @Android 19 & 20 arc ------Vegeta----- Base Speed:25 When Vegeta is in SSJ1:25+10=35 Assume Semi Perfect Cell the following stats Base Speed:38 When Semi Perfect cell His Maxed Out:38+10(His Speed "Multiplier/adder")=48 @Post First ROSAT for Vegeta -----Vegeta---------- Base Speed:44 When Vegeta is in ASSJ: 44+8=52 When Vegeta is in SSJ1: 44+10=54 Assume Semi Perfect Cell the following stats Base Speed:38 When Semi Perfect cell His Maxed Out:38+10=48 So as you can see vegeta in ASSJ appears to have speed advantage over cell but it is actually because he has increased his base speed. This is also one of the reasons why goku chooses the "original/normal" SSJ over ASSJ. ASSJ Limitations include:- 1.Strain 2.Loss of Speed(Not as much as USSJ,but still it is little slower than SSJ). |
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| + Pointer | May 28 2014, 09:47 AM Post #12 |
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nothing states that assj has speed disadvantage |
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| lunar2 | May 28 2014, 07:25 PM Post #13 |
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except when stated otherwise, combat speed correlates with power. 2 people with the same power will have the same speed. otherwise, there would be no point in statements about people's speed when fighting opponents of similar power. piccolo expected to be faster than 3rd for frieza, because he is faster than normal for his power. unfortunately for him, so is frieza. frieza and cell, when fighting opponents that should have been equal to them (vegeta and goku, respectively) both had to state that they were holding back speed. gohan, despite being far weaker than buu, thought he could outrun him (in this case, it's because he underestimated just how powerful buu is, not because buu is faster than normal). all of these are exceptions that prove the rule. there's no point in making those speed comments if speed is normally variable. piccolo wouldn't expect to be faster than frieza unless he could get an estimate on frieza's speed just from sensing his power, for example. so if initial semicell and ssj vegeta are about even in power, they are about even in speed, as well. cell powers up, therefore getting faster. vegeta uses assj, and is faster than powered up cell, meaning that he must also be faster than his ssj self. had he gone to ussj, he would have been slower than his ussj self, but probably not slower than his ssj self (even trunks would have noticed a speed decrease that drastic). |
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May 28 2014, 07:43 PM Post #14 |
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@Lunar Well you can assume that ASSJ speed>SSJ.I have no problem.But I assume SSJ speed>ASSJ speed.Because why would goku choose SSJ over ASSJ for mastering.Yes we know that ASSJ causes strain.But weren't they going to master the super saiyan form.So he could have easily choosen ASSJ form and mastered it.BUT HE doesn't.Why?Because he knows that SSJ speed "Multiplier/adder" is little bit more than ASSJ speed "multiplier/adder".Notice when Goku achieves the ASSJ and USSJ he notes about the speed disadvantage only,he doesn't bother about the strain limitation,as if they were secondary priority. Even the Goku vs Cell and Gohan Vs cell fights indirectly imply that the SSJ Speed Multiplier/adder is a little bit higher than the ASSJ Speed Multiplier/adder. So what I am saying is according to me the ASSJ is little bit slower than SSJ,not very huge like the USSJ. ------example----------- SSJ Speed Multiplier/adder(+10) ASSJ Speed Multiplier/adder(+8) I don't mind if you don't agree with me. |
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| lunar2 | May 28 2014, 07:54 PM Post #15 |
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you can't master assj and ussj. those forms are caused by forcing ki into your muscles faster than it can come out. it's like putting a kink in a hose to raise the water pressure. mastering ssj is about taking those kinks out, so you can leave the faucet on full blast without busting the hose. assj is a power spike, mssj is consistent power. it's the same reason kaioken was dropped in favor of ssj. kaioken is a spike, you use it once and then you're done, at least at the levels where it's comparable in power to ssj. but ssj is consistent power. it's power that doesn't cripple you if you get slightly distracted, the way mssj is power that you can take your time in a fight with, because you aren't burning all your ki just to maintain the output. and when you don't know how powerful your opponent is going to be, consistency is more valuable than short term performance. there's also the fact that gohan and goku increased their base power tremendously through mastering ssj, something they wouldn't have been able to do if they'd stuck with assj. they would have ended up weaker if they'd depended on assj. |
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