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| Meowth | May 26 2014, 06:52 PM Post #31 |
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Would that be as a percentage of all violent crime? Because you'd still need to factor in everything else, statistics like these are often misrepresent, misread and/or misquoted, they don't generally help anything, they just provide a shocking number for a story. All crimes should be reported equally and as stated in my initial post, in such a public area something would have happened in both cases, the video is more insulting to humanity than giving any real message. |
 
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| lunar2 | May 26 2014, 07:06 PM Post #32 |
 
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no, that was specifically responding to the "severe, physical domestic abuse" statistic of 40% of victims being men. if that is simply tallying the reports, and not adjusting for under reporting, then the actual statistic is probably closer to 50%. both sides under report, but men under report more, because men face more hassle when reporting a violent crime, especially when the assailant is a woman. as for the video. nope. stunts like that have been pulled over and over again. and every time, when a woman is abusing a man, there is little, if any reaction. when a man abuses a woman, people jump in to help, or may even assault the man, even if he didn't actually assault the woman. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 26 2014, 08:09 PM Post #33 |
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I'm definitely not denying that this occurs, but do you know on average (particularly in urban areas) how long rape kits can sit in evidence lockers, and not even be looked at? NINE years is the average... NINE. I think the longest I've heard of is up to fourteen years. It could be years (over a decade in some cases) before the rape kit even gets looked at, and by that time, who knows what has happened to the perpetrator? He could've died of a heart attack, moved out of the state, or even out of the country. To be entirely honest, with it taking that long for rape kits to even get looked at, there's virtually no point in even going to the police. But it's not a matter of them simply not wanting to, but resources. Rape cases get constantly pushed aside for more serious crimes like murder... not to mention that rape in urban areas is apparently more common than people realize. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 26 2014, 08:12 PM.
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| Copy_Ninja | May 27 2014, 06:43 AM Post #34 |
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I feel like this topic sort of drifted off course and away from what my original point was, which I'm not even sure people actually got. It's not about whether domestic violence against men is just as bad as it is against women or anything like that. It's that people need to realise that 1. it happens and 2. it's not something a man should be so ashamed of that he just lives with it because he can't let anyone know. The second point is what the video was trying to demonstrate. Violence against women is wrong, I think as a society it's something we generally get (yes there's plenty of issues as Tim rightly pointed out in his post but it's something in the general public consciousness). Domestic violence against men? I don't think we're quite there yet in taking it as seriously as it should be. Also there doesn't need to be a perception of two sides, there's significant overlapping issues. Gender stereotypes and roles, the way power between a man and a woman is viewed, perceptions of male dominance etc. I'm not trying to create any kind of friction between two "sides" here, maybe the use of the phrase double standard wasn't appropriate but I will say that just because violence against women is a bigger issue doesn't mean that the way violence against men is being treated is right either. I'm not saying it needs equal coverage or some huge campaign on the same level, just that current perceptions in regards to it are off and do need to change. |
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| Saberoph | May 27 2014, 07:05 PM Post #35 |
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I know I got the point of this... I just felt like putting my what I've seen on the matter over the yeas on my end. A crime is a crime, and whoever commits it no matter what gender they are should be punished for it no matter what. |
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| Arkadom | Jun 2 2014, 09:25 PM Post #36 |
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I agree on that. I didn't think it necessary to make a new thread on this, considering we discussed the event in this thread already, but I came across this video: I think this makes some good points, and expands on some of my own thoughts I already posted. |
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Jun 28 2014, 03:44 AM Post #37 |
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We can't hit them because as a society we think women are weak and men are strong. For the most part it's true, but that poor sap who gets beat up by his girl gets no respect in the man world. |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Jun 28 2014, 05:42 AM Post #38 |
 
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Never underestimate the punching power of a girl. This whole concept that girls have no punching power is just pure stupidity and borderline sexism. As a guy who's looked amongst his friends as a tank, I can admit that the way my sister winds up and moves her ENTIRE weight into her punches hurt LIKE HELL. The "Man" world can go screw itself, they're usually full of roided up bigots or people who praise said roided up bigots. People should base their life based on individual values, not on generalism and pre conceived notions. Half the reason why I can't trust the "People" to make the laws since most of them are a***** and are rather primitive in their views. Anyways rant over... |
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| + Pyrus | Jun 28 2014, 06:00 AM Post #39 |
 
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Your sister must be an anti-tank weapon, then. I guess I gotta admit my girl can hit, but she's also a fitness fanatic so I'd expect that of her. Girls who don't go the gym regularly, lift weights, or do sports like boxing are the ones I don't expect anything great out of, and from the girl who have punched me, I haven't been proven wrong yet... |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Jun 28 2014, 06:04 AM Post #40 |
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iigh, I see what you did there. Almost made me laugh...almost Of course it depends on the individual, just like there are guys who might as well be butterflies when it comes to punching or hitting. It all depends really on HOW you punch rather than your size although it doesn't hurt to have size behind an adequate form and technique. |
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| + Steve | Jun 28 2014, 02:31 PM Post #41 |
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Physically, at least naturally I don't think there is that much of a difference between men and women of equal sizes. Of course if a man goes to the gym for 10 years and a woman has never been inside one he's going to knock her out easily but naturally no, we're about equal as near as makes no difference. It's the mentality of men that makes them "stronger" they are going to rape you or they are going to punch you or are going to kill you and that's scary. Women are less inclined to be that...for lack of a better word, brutal and are told either men should be courteous to them or will be horrible to them. In a similar sense to how the actual torture isn't as bad as the fear of the torture, men can instil that kind of fear in to women and at that point they can't defend themselves even if they physically have the strength to. Women and men are taught that they're entitled to never be attacked or abused so when it happens they don't know what to do, if a woman is getting abused she's too "weak" to do anything because men are strong. If a man is being abused he's too "weak" to ask for help he's just a coward since men are stronger than women. You'll find that women who have learnt from experience or those brought up to know that they're not weaklings will have kicked their fair share of asses in both genders. I think the main issue is that women are viewed as weaklings that need protection, when they're not abused men won't be cowards and will be able to ask for help without being a laughing stock. I doubt any statistics about abused men are even close to the actual number, admitting it means throwing your pride as a man away and that ridiculous notion is going to stop many from telling the truth, lest they be branded a coward. |
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Jun 28 2014, 06:13 PM Post #42 |
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Men and women are very different dudes. A man's bones are more dense and he is bigger, more muscular, carries less fat. Some woman can indeed punch, but that is not the common idea here. When talking about majority or anything that sums it up, there is a reason why we don't allow men and women to play against each other. It's not fair to women, they cannot stack up against us. Can you get a really strong woman to kick a really weak guys a***? Sure... But that is such a rare occurrence it's not really worth talking about. Most men are going to easily beat most women. Me for instance, I'm at that level where a woman can't really mess with me. Just too damn big. I'm not a huge man, but I'm 5'9 225 mesomorphic, athletic build, and I'm explosive. Women just aren't going to be able to contend with my level of power and there's just nothing you can do. That doesn't make me better than them in life in general, but I am going to beat up 99% of all women. It's just the way things are. Men are superior to women physically in a broad sense. So of course when men get beat up by their women it is not taken seriously. It's a win for the little guys. Women never beat men up and the few times they do it's kind of greeted with humor and a good for you girl situation. It is what it is, most women would get slaughtered by most men in a real fight, so hey let me win some here and there. It's good for morale. Edited by p123, Jun 28 2014, 06:16 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Jun 28 2014, 06:23 PM Post #43 |
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This is interesting: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201207/the-battle-the-sexes |
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Jun 28 2014, 06:28 PM Post #44 |
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Yea I can agree with that. We each have our advantages and disadvantages. But in terms of being on topic, domestic violence and any sort of physical confrontation, women are our clear inferiors. |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Jun 28 2014, 06:31 PM Post #45 |
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Besides, your build doesn't mean much. I'm 5'7, 260 pounds and built more or less like a brick s***house. But the way you word it makes it seem like nothing anyone does is going to hurt you...I can think of a couple things that would, most notably the weakness all men carry between their legs. Are you saying Leila Ali isn't going to be able to kick the a*** of most men? Alexis Davis? Cristiane Justino? Sarah Kaufman? As it's been said before and has been proven by people in MMA and boxing alike, it's not entirely up to size as to how well or hard you can hit, and although it's a tired example...Bruce Lee could likely outstrike any performer out there, and he's tiny in comparison to the heavy strikers of today. It's almost ALL up to technique and how much you can move your weight into your strikes. Although it doesn't hurt to have size on top of an adequate form and technique, it's not what makes one a good hitter. |
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