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| Arkadom | May 26 2014, 05:03 PM Post #16 |
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Knowing me, I just phrased it badly. By saying he is no better than them, I meant that he had no right to get his "retribution" and act like he was supreme by taking his revenge on them. He is no higher being, thus no better than them, he is indeed far worse for his actions, I simply meant he is no more righteous than those that he considered to be evil, indeed, he was less so. |
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| Meowth | May 26 2014, 05:04 PM Post #17 |
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Very well, misunderstanding cleared up then :P |
 
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| Saberoph | May 26 2014, 05:20 PM Post #18 |
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1. I hate anyone who does this crap and abuse in general. Coming from someone who was abused as a child. 2. I hate double standards and have no respect for anyone who hold them. In Middle and High School I knew someone who was a woman but built like a man, but even without makeup you'd never would it, because to this day she's the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. Well, she was the strongest person in both schools, but what I liked about her was she never went out of her way to show off or try proving anything to anyone, and she never bullied anyone or anything like that... hell, she was always right there with me standing up to the bullies. I've seen several cases where people turn a blind eye to both and it makes me sick... domestic violence is domestic violence no matter who it's to, not because it's a certain gender so we can look the other way because naturally they're suppose to be stronger. Only one time have I ever seen turning a blind eye justified and that's because the woman's husband kept hitting her and finally she had enough and she beat the holy hell out of him... which is fitting because he put her in the hospital before too. |
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May 26 2014, 05:46 PM Post #19 |
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Tim and Rogue, I usually agree with you guys in topics like these, but I don't really agree with you here.
This is true, but I don't exactly know what you're trying to say here. Many women report rapes that never even occurred. They shouldn't be believed immediately because not all rapes that are reported truly happened. It's the same with any crime. You don't arrest someone for murder without first having substantial evidence. And I know plenty of women who would go so far as to falsely report a rape. On the flip side, many men are raped and never report it because men being raped is either a good thing or considered unbelievable. Here's a rather chilling video regarding the topic. Rape trigger warning, obviously. Spoiler: click to toggle I think it's safe to say that women are raped more often than men, but it's not a significantly higher number. Plenty of men are raped as well. Men can rape women. Women can rape men. Men can rape men. And women can rape women. A lot of people refuse to believe this for whatever reason, but rape is a serious problem for everyone, not just women. In fact, I would say it's just as serious for men since it's not taken as seriously by the general public. It's definitely a social stigma worth fighting against.
Because you haven't met any violent women, that means that women aren't violent? I've met plenty of violent women. Both my mother and father disciplined me equally when I was growing up. Both parents spanked me. My mom threw shoes and other objects at me when she got really mad, which was something that my father never did. I've been in physical fights with girls. Since I'm a lesbian, I've dated girls, so I obviously know how abusive (physically and psychologically) they can be. Although I will agree with whoever said that women are more psychologically abusive because that's definitely true. Women will tear you down emotionally until you can't take it anymore. So yes, women are very destructive, and they are capable of just as much harm as men. Physical violence isn't just a "woman" issue. Men can be physically abused as well, so why aren't they both considered problems? The same exact thing could be said for rape. I personally don't see a problem with either gender hitting the other as long as it doesn't get abusive. Some physical rough housing can be innocent. Circumstances matter. EDIT: Just wanted to respond to one more comment.
I wouldn't necessarily say that it's a "minority of incidents," but so what if it is? Like you said, it should be dealt with regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. Just because a black man murders a white man doesn't mean the incident should be taken less seriously because the black man was oppressed for so long. Just because a group of homosexuals attack a straight man in the streets doesn't make it any less serious. I also think we have far more important things to worry about than rape jokes. Like actual rape. Let's make sure the social stigmas associated with both genders are destroyed. We can't just fight for women. We have to fight for both genders. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, May 26 2014, 05:57 PM.
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| + Pelador | May 26 2014, 05:52 PM Post #20 |
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I just want the justice system and society for that matter take each individual case with the utmost seriously. Gender is irrelevant here since both can be serious abusers. Perhaps one side is more prone to being abusive than the other? So what? It shouldn't happen either way. |
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| Saberoph | May 26 2014, 05:58 PM Post #21 |
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There is no justice anymore... I was nearly stabbed to death and it was dragged out for almost 10 years and the guy ended up with a slap on the wrist and that's it. I wish justice was as it should be, and everyone would be equal and fair, but sadly I think most of that is behind us, unless the "justice system" wakes up and does things right. |
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| Meowth | May 26 2014, 05:59 PM Post #22 |
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I'm not saying just fight for women, clearly you know nothing about me. Rape jokes are bad ann don't help the behaviour of society, they are part of the problem. |
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| + Pelador | May 26 2014, 06:01 PM Post #23 |
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I've never laughed at a rape joke. The idea of such a thing being used as humour irritates me to no end. |
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May 26 2014, 06:03 PM Post #24 |
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I'm of the opinion that anything can be funny in the right light. I suppose it's an unpopular opinion. I do agree that rape jokes are part of the problem. I never said that they weren't. I simply said that rape is a more important issue than rape jokes. Why is that the only part of my post that you responded to?  haha
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| Saberoph | May 26 2014, 06:03 PM Post #25 |
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I hate those jokes and when I hear/read them it makes me sick and not want to talk with that person. Edit: As for that part of your post OFG, I took that video as the guy making it a joke to hide his pain, so he wouldn't have to show it to everyone. Since that's how I hide mine. Edited by Saberoph, May 26 2014, 06:05 PM.
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| Meowth | May 26 2014, 06:14 PM Post #26 |
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Because you made an assumption that I only believe in fighting for women, your post is based on assumptions, including putting words into my posts that aren't there, at no point did I say "women aren't violent" and basing your post on something that wasn't said is kind of silly and to be frank, not worth my time if you are going to accuse me of saying such things. |
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| yokip | May 26 2014, 06:15 PM Post #27 |
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it is mentality ingrained in our consciousness where we feel that the man doesn't need help or intervention in this kinda of situation so its not really double standard its just how are brain works. |
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| Arkadom | May 26 2014, 06:20 PM Post #28 |
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It's also mentally ingrained in our consciousness to have a special place to urinate of defecate, doesn't stop people going in bushes, we have gag reflexes for a reason but people tame them, he have a built-in-function that stops us from harming ourselves but people harm and kill themselves all the time, our bodies prevent us from throwing ourself from high ledges but people still manage to do it. Just because it's in our genetics doesn't mean we can't overcome such things. |
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May 26 2014, 06:21 PM Post #29 |
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I brought up some valid points and never put words in your mouth, but fair enough. |
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| lunar2 | May 26 2014, 06:22 PM Post #30 |
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as for the crimes being under reported. yes, men don't often report domestic violence, rape, stalking, and other crimes because they are ridiculed if they do. it's ingrained in our culture that women are the victims and men are the aggressors, so when a man is the victim people assume something is going on. if a woman hits a man, the first thought in people's mind is "what did he do to deserve that". so yes, crimes against men are seriously under reported. i'm not saying that crimes against women aren't under reported, they are. but a male crime victim has to deal with all the same things a female crime victim does, and then some. anything to do with crime or the justice system is an area where women do have one hell of an advantage. assuming the 40% number is based on actual reports, and not estimations taking into account under reporting, the actual statistic is probably closer to 50%, at least. as for rape, rape has about an 8% false report rate according to the FBI, compared to 2% for other crimes. the FBI stats actually overrate it, though, since they include false reports in with other "unfounded" accusations based on any number of factors that make it so that pretty much only forcible rape where the assailant has a weapon and the victim both fights back and is injured count as actual rapes, and only if the assailant and victim had no prior sexual history. and they still only got an 8% unfounded statistic, despite discounting date rapes, rapes where the victim didn't fight back, rapes where no weapon was involved, etc. |
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