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Kaioshin
Topic Started: May 23 2014, 12:55 PM (1,802 Views)
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May 23 2014, 04:50 PM
Not everyone thinks Kaioshin is weaker than Bobbidi's minions just because he's a little extra wary of them. That's the big assumption which creates a problem where there actually isn't one.

All Kaioshin knows is that Bobbidi gathers the universe's strongest warriors. That reputation, combined with how the manga seems to indicate that these Majin-ized minions can't be accurately sensed, means that Kaioshin has good reason to be extra cautious about fighting them. The Saiyans, however, prefer to just dive right in and test their enemies out the good old fashioned way.

Well if Pocus is a galaxy wide famous warrior of Freeza's caliber, wouldn't Kaioshin at least be aware of how strong he was before Babidi got to him?
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Kaioshin didn't directly acknowledge Pui-Pui like he did with Yakon, so apparently not. Pui-Pui was pretty powerful but probably unknown on a universe-wide scale. Besides, with the assumption that the base Saiyans aren't quite as strong as Freeza yet, then Pui-Pui would be much, MUCH weaker than even that, and not even close to being "of Freeza's caliber." Maybe first-form Freeza, but unless he's stomping around the galaxies making a name for himself, Kaioshin probably wouldn't know about him.
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The Kai's can see into galaxies with thier godly eyes(as seen in BoG) they know about Freiza's form

base saiyans>kai>100% freiza
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As for the whole "Kaioshin can't sense Babidid's minions" argument, CC offered a counter-explanation to this.

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The whole "Kaioshin can't sense them" argument doesn't really make a difference, considering that when characters couldn't sense Ki, they could determine strength just as well by an opponent's movements. Kaioshin seems to be no exception, considering his reaction to Vegeta easily killing Pui Pui despite perceiving the Saiyans to already be above himself and was quickly prepared to have everyone gang up on Yakon as soon as he was brought into the fray.
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May 23 2014, 05:05 PM
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May 23 2014, 04:50 PM
Not everyone thinks Kaioshin is weaker than Bobbidi's minions just because he's a little extra wary of them. That's the big assumption which creates a problem where there actually isn't one.

All Kaioshin knows is that Bobbidi gathers the universe's strongest warriors. That reputation, combined with how the manga seems to indicate that these Majin-ized minions can't be accurately sensed, means that Kaioshin has good reason to be extra cautious about fighting them. The Saiyans, however, prefer to just dive right in and test their enemies out the good old fashioned way.

Well if Pocus is a galaxy wide famous warrior of Freeza's caliber, wouldn't Kaioshin at least be aware of how strong he was before Babidi got to him?
"Strongest in the universe" can be pretty broad when it comes down to it. How many fighters at this point are actually stronger than 100% Freeza? Only a handful, so when it really comes down to it, Pocus/Pui Pui could have a BP of 100,000 and still be one of the strongest in the universe.
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May 23 2014, 04:51 PM
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May 23 2014, 03:50 PM
Base Saiyans > Pocus.

A lot of people believe Pocus > Kaio.
Kaioshin can be stronger than Pocus, I believe him to be.

He's just being overly-cautious, considering he knows what happens in Boo is released.... and it doesn't really seem like Babidi's minions can be sensed.

Kaioshin's power really is up to your own interpretation though.... he's wary of Pocus and Yakon (even after seeing SSj2 Gohan at the Budokai), yet takes more punishment from Fat Boo than SSj Gohan.

Boo arc leaves things a lot more vague than the other arcs, in my opinion.

Kaioshin never hit Boo, he only used kiai attack to push him away from him.


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May 23 2014, 05:29 PM
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May 23 2014, 04:51 PM
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May 23 2014, 03:50 PM
Base Saiyans > Pocus.

A lot of people believe Pocus > Kaio.
Kaioshin can be stronger than Pocus, I believe him to be.

He's just being overly-cautious, considering he knows what happens in Boo is released.... and it doesn't really seem like Babidi's minions can be sensed.

Kaioshin's power really is up to your own interpretation though.... he's wary of Pocus and Yakon (even after seeing SSj2 Gohan at the Budokai), yet takes more punishment from Fat Boo than SSj Gohan.

Boo arc leaves things a lot more vague than the other arcs, in my opinion.

Kaioshin never hit Boo, he only used kiai attack to push him away from him.


I said he takes more punishment.... Fatso hits SSj Gohan once over the head and he's down for a bit. Kaioshin takes a few hits from Boo and he's still fighting.

I want to point out that I consider SSj Gohan to be stronger, I was just trying to make a point of how vague Kaioshin's power is.
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Didn't Piccolo say majin vegeta was perhaps stronger than ssj2 teen gohan. If he can't actually sense him though then he determined his strength by his movements like goku did with dabura. Either way it doesn't matter. I don't think pui pui>supreme kai. It's rediculous IMO to assume he's stronger than him even though supreme kai was just worried for vegeta when he had no idea how strong vegeta was
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He was comparing Vegeta to SSJ2 Kid Gohan, not Teen Gohan.
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I know it doesn't make sense but funimation labeled saiyan and namek saga gohan as kid gohan, CG gohan as teen gohan, and buu saga+ adult gohan. That's what a lot of fans and I grew up calling them
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May 23 2014, 05:29 PM
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May 23 2014, 04:50 PM
Not everyone thinks Kaioshin is weaker than Bobbidi's minions just because he's a little extra wary of them. That's the big assumption which creates a problem where there actually isn't one.

All Kaioshin knows is that Bobbidi gathers the universe's strongest warriors. That reputation, combined with how the manga seems to indicate that these Majin-ized minions can't be accurately sensed, means that Kaioshin has good reason to be extra cautious about fighting them. The Saiyans, however, prefer to just dive right in and test their enemies out the good old fashioned way.

Well if Pocus is a galaxy wide famous warrior of Freeza's caliber, wouldn't Kaioshin at least be aware of how strong he was before Babidi got to him?
"Strongest in the universe" can be pretty broad when it comes down to it. How many fighters at this point are actually stronger than 100% Freeza? Only a handful, so when it really comes down to it, Pocus/Pui Pui could have a BP of 100,000 and still be one of the strongest in the universe.
Yeah and he should've still be noticed by the Supreme Kai, who thus would have some idea of his powerlevel if he was chosen by Babidi for being such a reknown warrior. King Vegeta was in the low 10,000's at best but he still had the God of Destruction, the Supreme Kai's counterparts over for dinner.
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May 23 2014, 01:27 PM
There is no need to follow BOG logic, it will be a completely mess. People who think this way are not even confident of themselves, they're shaking and sweating how to use that logic , which it shouldn't at all.

Following Manga: Base Saiyans > Frieza is a FACT.
That first thing can be interpreted as rude. Since I am one of these people, I could see it as rude, but luckily for you I know you better.

Also, stating Base Saiyans > Freeza as fact is wrong, because there are several ways to work out a battle power list, always having Freeza above Base Saiyans.
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May 23 2014, 05:31 PM
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May 23 2014, 03:50 PM
Base Saiyans > Pocus.

A lot of people believe Pocus > Kaio.
Kaioshin can be stronger than Pocus, I believe him to be.

He's just being overly-cautious, considering he knows what happens in Boo is released.... and it doesn't really seem like Babidi's minions can be sensed.

Kaioshin's power really is up to your own interpretation though.... he's wary of Pocus and Yakon (even after seeing SSj2 Gohan at the Budokai), yet takes more punishment from Fat Boo than SSj Gohan.

Boo arc leaves things a lot more vague than the other arcs, in my opinion.

Kaioshin never hit Boo, he only used kiai attack to push him away from him.


I said he takes more punishment.... Fatso hits SSj Gohan once over the head and he's down for a bit. Kaioshin takes a few hits from Boo and he's still fighting.

I want to point out that I consider SSj Gohan to be stronger, I was just trying to make a point of how vague Kaioshin's power is.

What punishment? Its a kiai move to push him away from him. Its not strength related or anything.

Gohan was more of Boo's treat thus hitting him harder, I don't see Kaioshin anywhere that strong.
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