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May 23 2014, 12:55 PM Post #1 |
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All of this recent discussion made me think of Kaioshin. There were statements in both the Manga and the Anime, making it clear Kaio was far, far stronger than Freeza. Manga said Kaio could one-shot Freeza. Anime said Kaio was a thousand times stronger than Freeza. I hope none of you use the Anime statement to determine Kaio's power. Made that mistake once ![]() Either way, Kaio is stronger. That is clear. Many people (Big Daddy included) believe Pocus > Kaioshin. Simply because Kaio felt threatened, and wanted to gang up on Pocus. When Vegeta "Heidenreich'd" Pocus, Kaio was shocked if my memory serves correct. My chain at this point is something like: Base Saiyans > Pocus > Kaioshin >>> Freeza. Now. For whatever reason (I blame BoG) people believe Freeza > Base Saiyans. Now, if it's commomly accepted that Pocus > Kaio, and Base Saiyans > Kaio, then Kaio will obviously be below them, correct? So if you believe Freeza > Base Saiyans, you'd put Kaio below Freeza. BUT... Kaio is stronger then Freeza, so I think the chain would be: Base Saiyans > Pocus > Kaioshin >>> Freeza > Base Saiyans. wat. |
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| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 01:25 PM Post #2 |
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I should probably throw out that the whole "Every Kaioshin is 1000X stronger than Frieza" is a dub line. |
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| Alex D. Boss | May 23 2014, 01:27 PM Post #3 |
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There is no need to follow BOG logic, it will be a completely mess. People who think this way are not even confident of themselves, they're shaking and sweating how to use that logic , which it shouldn't at all. Following Manga: Base Saiyans > Frieza is a FACT. The other things like Piccolo vs Kaioshin, Kaioshin vs Pocus, Base Saiyans vs Piccolo may be always debatable. Altough I have always like this: Piccolo > Base Saiyans > Pocus > Kaioshin Edited by Alex D. Boss, May 23 2014, 01:29 PM.
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May 23 2014, 01:31 PM Post #4 |
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FYI, I know that's a dub line. I'm saying in both adaption it is made clear he is stronger. |
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| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 01:35 PM Post #5 |
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Well of course. I don't think anyone will argue Kaioshin is weaker than Frieza lol. I'm just saying you should probably refrain from using that dub line. It wasn't even in the original JPN version so I believe. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 23 2014, 02:15 PM Post #6 |
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The thing is, how do we know which form of frieza supreme kai is talking about? First form or final form? I think there's a statement someone posted once that said only a few people have seen his final form. Supreme kai and kibito also didn't even know that ssj2 even existed. How do we know for sure pui pui>supreme kai? Supreme kai very well could've been worried for vegeta because he didn't know how strong the saiyans were at the time |
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May 23 2014, 02:26 PM Post #7 |
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Goku would automatically assume he is talking about forth form Freeza, and he didn't question Kaio. How do we know Kaio didn't see Freeza's final form also? |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 23 2014, 02:45 PM Post #8 |
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Alright, I could agree that goku would automatically assume final form. But it's not like that makes a difference. We know not many people have seen his final form and that supreme kai and kibito don't see and know everything, so there's still that chance he's referring to first form frieza
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May 23 2014, 02:53 PM Post #9 |
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Yes, but we are talking about a god who knew who Goku was and what he has done in his life. I'm pretty sure he'd know of their fight. If not, you'd think he'd know of Mecha Freeza. He'd be a pretty lousy and oblivious god if he hasn't seen final form Freeza at least once. |
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| + Saiyan Paladin | May 23 2014, 02:55 PM Post #10 |
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Explain this one to me. |
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May 23 2014, 03:50 PM Post #11 |
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Base Saiyans > Pocus. A lot of people believe Pocus > Kaio. |
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| sekzee | May 23 2014, 03:57 PM Post #12 |
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Kaioshin cannot sense Pui Pui/Pocus, and he is worried about releasing Buu. Why would he not want to ensure victory by defeating the enemies in a guaranteed fashion? |
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| DurararaFTW | May 23 2014, 04:44 PM Post #13 |
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Just the fact that he'd use Freeza as a measuring stick to establish himself to to Buu saga Z-fighters I feel is an indicator of how completely out of depth he was. |
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| + Kaboom | May 23 2014, 04:50 PM Post #14 |
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Not everyone thinks Kaioshin is weaker than Bobbidi's minions just because he's a little extra wary of them. That's the big assumption which creates a problem where there actually isn't one. All Kaioshin knows is that Bobbidi gathers the universe's strongest warriors. That reputation, combined with how the manga seems to indicate that these Majin-ized minions can't be accurately sensed, means that Kaioshin has good reason to be extra cautious about fighting them. The Saiyans, however, prefer to just dive right in and test their enemies out the good old fashioned way. |
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| + Saiyan Paladin | May 23 2014, 04:51 PM Post #15 |
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Kaioshin can be stronger than Pocus, I believe him to be. He's just being overly-cautious, considering he knows what happens in Boo is released.... and it doesn't really seem like Babidi's minions can be sensed. Kaioshin's power really is up to your own interpretation though.... he's wary of Pocus and Yakon (even after seeing SSj2 Gohan at the Budokai), yet takes more punishment from Fat Boo than SSj Gohan. Boo arc leaves things a lot more vague than the other arcs, in my opinion. Edited by Saiyan Paladin, May 23 2014, 04:56 PM.
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