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| What Villain was the greatest challenge for the Z fighters to overcome? | |
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| bardock1990 | May 23 2014, 02:32 PM Post #16 |
 
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I'm not convinced that Goku would have killed fat Buu if he tried. First off I don't think the power discrepancy is big enough to completely obliterate Buu and secondly, there was still the absorption attacks that were not used yet and I doubt Goku wouldn't fall prey to that. Like I said, there goes a lot more than just being more powerful when it comes to defeating Buu, whereas the other villains required just that: Just be more powerful and it's over. That's why Buu is the right answer imo. |
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| TheMightiestWarrior | May 23 2014, 02:43 PM Post #17 |
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Nah, Goku just was so shi**y at the moment that he wanted the boys to do the work. He just probably wants someone else to save the world and take over after he is gone, and is confident in the fusion. I also think, Goku SSJ3 FP >= Kid Buu > SSJ3 Goku (against Fatso) > Fat Buu. So if Goku thinks he can totally destroy Kid Buu with his full powered attack, why couldn't he do the same with Fat Buu? Edited by TheMightiestWarrior, May 23 2014, 02:45 PM.
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| + Saiyan Paladin | May 23 2014, 02:59 PM Post #18 |
 
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He's dead, he's of the mindset that he's not going to be around to always save the day... he wants to pass the torch on. He has a clear advantage in the fight, and later on admits he could've beat Fatty if he wanted to. |
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| bardock1990 | May 23 2014, 03:00 PM Post #19 |
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Kid and fat Buu's power placements have been a debatable subject but I will say that by the time he was fighting Kid Buu, Goku had a lot more knowledge about his enemy. When he first fought Fat Buu he was unaware of the absorbing attacks, how strong his regeneration was etc. He was constantly being surprised by Fattie during that fight too so he was in over his head, he was not going to be able to end Buu at that time I don't think. If they had just followed up on Vegeta's offer to destroy Babidi's ship and awaken a very weak Buu, only then would it have been an easy task to defeat him. But other than that I really think that they could not have beaten Buu untill they actually were able to in the final fight. |
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| TheMightiestWarrior | May 23 2014, 03:05 PM Post #20 |
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Interesting, but then why did he admit he could've beaten his fat a**? I think he was studying his enemy at the time he fought fatso and would eventually murder Buu if he had put some effort in the fight. As for the placement of the two Buus, it's pretty clear Kid Buu > Fattie. |
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| dangerousbob | May 23 2014, 03:20 PM Post #21 |
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This is something that I bring up a lot with Buu. Another example is Gotenks and SuperBuu. Gohan and Buutenks. In order to beat Buu you cant just be stronger, you have to be significantly stronger. SSJ3 Goku defeating Fat Buu was in the realm of possibility.. thats what "maybe beat him" means. But his doubt was enough to want to leave it to the fusion. I mean he did beat Kid Buu as a SSJ3. So its not all that far fetched to think he could edge out a victory over Fat Buu, especially if he had some assistance from the others. The energy drain of a SSJ3 is a big problem. Keep in mind even SSj2 Vegita did a number on Fat Buu. So Im going to say, it is possible. But why risk it if you think the fusion would lick him easily? |
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| Dankness Lava | May 23 2014, 03:22 PM Post #22 |
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Freeza for sure, with Cell at least the plan was near guaranteed to work. |
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| dangerousbob | May 23 2014, 03:25 PM Post #23 |
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Now that I think about it, Raditz had a huge advantage right when he first showed up. At least with most the other villains the Z fighters had forewarning to train. |
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| Yuli Ban | May 23 2014, 06:01 PM Post #24 |
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Freeza, pre Super Saiyan. The SOB had a max of 120 million. With Goku, the maximum the heroes could go was 60 million. Without, they had Vegeta, who was about 2(?) million max. When you realize just how screwed the heroes were, it almost becomes hard to watch. You were basically witnessing a slaughter. With Cell, Gohan was a match for him. Goku was stronger than Boo, Fat and Kid. Until Goku went SSJ, there was no hope. I mean *no* hope in the universe. Throw in Dragon Ball, and I'd say the first fight with Tao was pretty one sided as well. And the Future Andoids? Doom metal worthy fate. The fact time travel was possible was the only chance they had. Trunks could not have lasted much longer. Edited by Yuli Ban, May 23 2014, 06:04 PM.
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| EMIYA | May 23 2014, 06:10 PM Post #25 |
"I am the bone of my sword."
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Freeza was the only time where it got to the point where there was no hope. There was always something on the corner that the fighters knew about with everyone else. Gohan's rage, Genki-Dama, Fusion, Post-Ritual, Earings, etc. Freeza got to the point where the heroes had given literally everything they could, their strongest attack and it did little more than irk Freeza. He blew decimated piccolo, destroyed Krillin and was about to do the rest to Goku and it only by sheer dumb luck that Goku managed to turn into a Super Saiyan then and turn the tides. He didn't transform through planning or skill, he transformed simply because Freeza basically pushed him to that point without realizing it, none of them could've realized it. Before then, Freeza had survived a Genki-Dama, he was blowing off people left and right and at this point Goku's freaking the hell out, telling everyone to run. That's how bad it got. They had used up all their resources and they only thing they had left was sheer dumb miracle. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 23 2014, 06:11 PM Post #26 |
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I would say frieza. Frieza was several times stronger than goku and everyone else was weak compared to goku at the time so it was nearly goku by himself against this guy who was so much stronger he could've ended the fight in an instant if he wanted to. Cell had the potential to be a threat too had he released his full power from the start and didn't waste any time but that was still 1vs7. With frieza it was a few of the Z fighters against frieza, the ginyu force, and zarbon and dodoria and it took way longer
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| Deathscythe | May 24 2014, 09:13 AM Post #27 |
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No mention of King Piccolo? |
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| Dankness Lava | May 24 2014, 01:24 PM Post #28 |
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King Piccolo was a little bad, but they still hada option at the time. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 24 2014, 02:42 PM Post #29 |
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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I'd have to go with Freeza. Freeza was in the 500,000s when we first see him, and the strongest hero fighter at that time barely even broke 10,000. Of course, ki reserve unlocks and zenkai happened... and a transformation. |
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| AA500 | May 24 2014, 04:27 PM Post #30 |
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Goku pretty much goes blow for blow with Boo, and Boo is smirking the entire time. Aint a clear advantage if you axe me |
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