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| + Majin Vegeta | May 22 2014, 11:44 AM Post #16 |
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That's true, in the anime Kid Buu>Buuhan>Buutenks>Mystic Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks, bit in canon and the manga Kid Buu won't even touch Base Gotenks Post Rosat. As for topic Gotenks obliterates in Base lol |
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| Nanho | May 22 2014, 01:17 PM Post #17 |
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Its funny. Most Japanese fans embrace the fact that kid buu is stronger while most English fans don't.. anyways I'll debate this some other time. Edited by Nanho, May 22 2014, 01:17 PM.
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| + Yusuke | May 22 2014, 01:19 PM Post #18 |
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Are you sure the folks down in Japan have only watched the Anime? Because that's the vibe i'm sort of getting with all of this. Edited by Yusuke, May 22 2014, 01:19 PM.
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| + Majin Vegeta | May 22 2014, 02:03 PM Post #19 |
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Lol, I'll debate you about this anytime you want, Kid Buu ain't touching Gotenks. |
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| Nanho | May 23 2014, 02:59 AM Post #20 |
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ok sure. first I'll need to prove kid buu > super buu. I'll briefly lay out my points to start: 1/ The kai reaction after super buu transformed to kid buu. they were surprised/frightened. 2/What the kai said. The kais made it clear as day that dai weaken buu. 3/ Vegeta didnt want to bring back the boys. 4/ Goku felt vegeta intentions were for ''both'' the boys to ''help'' fight buu. 5/ No one else thought it was a good idea to bring back the boys, not the grand kai, supreme kai, dende... 6/ Vegetas entire quotes during the fight with kid buu. hyping up buu and oku/calling goku #1 etc (the last 2 are more considerations) 7/ Generally, the manga progresses with a stronger villain. 8/ And then you have the anime ,that akira was a major part of, showing kid buu is stronger. there isnt another portion of the manga thats thought of being/is twisted like this in the anime. ok then.  |
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| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 03:25 AM Post #21 |
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1) Because the most dangerous Buu was brought back, the Buu that just wants to destroy things left and right. Hence why Kibitoshin only refers to him as the most dangerous Buu. Not only that but both Goku and Vegeta note that Kid Buu lost power from reverting back to his Pure form. 2) They weakened him yes but by how much? 3) He didn't want to bring Goten, Trunks, and Gohan because he wanted to have the humans take care of their actions for a change. 4) It could have been either or. Doesn't really matter. Either Gotenks or Gohan could have one-shotted Pure Buu with the greatest of ease. 5) Where is this stated? 6) His quotes only mentioned that Goku was superior to him. 7) True but not when Goku flat out admits inferiority to Super Buu and fights evenly with Kid Buu. That's a clear sign that Kid Buu isn't as powerful as Super Buu. 8) So the Anime is a trustworthy source now for Manga debates? Since when? Last time I checked, this was the same source that had Yamcha and Krillin stronger than SPC. Man, times like this make me wish KP still had his Buu Arc post up for everyone to see lol. |
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| SSJ | May 23 2014, 03:26 AM Post #22 |
 
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Unless there are some untranslated lines in the Japanese manga that we are unaware of, Kid Boo isn't touching Gotenks. |
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| Saberoph | May 23 2014, 03:37 AM Post #23 |
 
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Actually... In the Anime there's more evidence proving that wrong, than supporting it. So, to follow those Anime lines you have to ignore ALL the evidence saying the opposite. And to be blunt... there's much more evidence saying Gotenks > Chibi Boo. |
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| Nanho | May 23 2014, 04:00 AM Post #24 |
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1/You cant have kid buu being weaker and call him the most dangerous. especially when u consider super was also planing to destroy the earth. Thats like saying saying frieza is more dangerous than cell, because of friezas more destructive nature; No ones going to fear frieza more than cell when cell is far more stronger.. thats ridiculous. Goku and vegeta made no note on kid buus power. They only made a not of his size, completely underestimating him. heck even vegeta thought/implyed he could take him. 2/It doesnt matter by how much. The fact is, with dai absorbed buu is weaken...which is why hes not as dangerous anymore...sigh 3/That ridiculous. Vegeta was sacrificing his life(with no return) to give goku chance at beating buu. U think if gohan or gotenks could one shot or easily beat him he wouldn't jump on that plan. He ran out of options which is why he went with the spirit bomb and mentioned '' the earth time t do bal bla'' as a hint to his plan.. 4/The point was goku shouldnt have question whether they should help if they were that much stronger or even just stronger. He would/should just question whether it is for them to come and destroy buu....no! if they were stronger he would/should have demanded that plan be executed! 5/ I meant why didnt any of the kais or dende from the moment they knew they could make a wish, come up with a plan to just bring the boys back to finish things? 6/ His quotes emphasizes that goku was the only one at that point that could take buu. Remember he knew of super buus strengh and must have saw gotenks and gohan fight him.... 7/ Goku admits inferiority to kid buu when before and during the fight. And remember buus overall strength includes his invincibility. So whenever ever they speak of his strength, they dont just mean his raw strength but also his invincibility which makes him near damn hard to beat. 8/I didnt say that. What I said was to consider the fact that the anime has never twisted actual manga scenes. Like for example:You never saw anything like piccolo (when he was first introduced)whos stronger that king piccolo in the manga, being weaker than him in the anime. Edited by Nanho, May 23 2014, 04:07 AM.
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| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 04:25 AM Post #25 |
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1) Why isn't that plausible? Super Buu never had any intentions of blowing up planets left and right. He was constantly looking for challengers to face him and had a lot of control of his actions. Kid Buu, on the other hand was just insane and wanted to destroy everything. That's what makes him more "dangerous" than Super Buu. 2) And? It's already obvious that Kid Buu > Fat Buu. I don't know what exactly you are trying to prove here. 3) See 4) 4) Wha? He actually asks Vegeta if his plan was to bring the boys to the Kaioshin planet and was surprised when Vegeta told him no. That's a clear indicator that Goku felt the need of Gotenks and Gohan to beat Pure Buu. Vegeta tells him that the humans need to take care of their actions for a change which Goku agrees to. It might have not been the most simple way of getting things done but it was a change from having the Z-Fighters do all the work. If this were all about simplicity in killing Kid Buu, nothing would stop Goku and Vegeta from Popping out Gogeta and making a fool out of Kid Buu. 5) Because like I said before, the plan was to get the humans to take care of their actions for once and have them take part in destroying a main villain. 6) Really? And yet he needs to panic at the sight of Super Buu? Obviously, something isn't working very well with your logic. 7) Goku never admits inferiority at all. He fights evenly with Kid Buu and underestimates the strain of using SSJ3 in a living body. Furthermore, SSJ3 Goku feels that him gathering back his ki and charging an amped attack would be enough to beat Kid Buu hence why Vegeta stalls for him. And just where the hell are you getting Kid Buu being invincible from? 8) You need to watch the Anime again then. Yamcha easily stomps Oiblu and other fighters in the Otherworld, something he would never be able to do in the Manga unless you somehow believe Yamcha is well above 100% Frieza. Edited by Yusuke, May 23 2014, 04:25 AM.
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| Saberoph | May 23 2014, 04:45 AM Post #26 |
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Sigh... 1. Kakarrot fights Fat Boo, but Boo does give him some problems. 2. SS3 Gotenks fights nearly evenly with someone who was stated to be stronger than Fat Boo... who gave SS3 Kakarrot some problems. 3. Ultimate Gohan is able to more than toy with someone who was nearly even to Super Boo, who was shown to be superior than SS3 Kakarrot. 4. Kakarrot wanted nothing to do with Super Boo. 5. SS3 Kakarrot couldn't do anything to Super Boo. 6. Kakarrot admits that he needs to fuse to even stand a chance against Gohan Boo. 7. Kakarrot and Vegeta get's thrashed around by Gohan Boo. 8. Inside Super Boo, Kakarrot tells Vegeta not to destroy the Potara that they'll need it when they get out. 9. Also inside Super Boo, Kakarrot tells Vegeta that they cannot defeat Super Boo without once again fusing. 10. SS3 Kakarrot fights evenly with Chibi Boo and admits that he needs to charge up his Ki to defeat him. Now, the evidence that supports Chibi Boo being stronger. 1. SS3 Kakarrot is able to survive Gotenks Boo's attacks. 2. Kakarrot get's cocky when Gotenks Boo reverts back. 3. MSS Kakarrot was able to knock back Gohan Boo. 4. Inside Gohan Boo, Kakarrot was able to defeat a fake Ultimate Gohan and was said that he's just as powerful as the real Gohan. 5. Kibitoshin says Chibi Boo is the strongest Boo. 6. SS2 Kakarrot admits Chibi Boo is stronger. Well, it seems like there is more evidence that says Super Boo> Chibi Boo, due to all the earlier lines and evidence. I realize I probably missed some things on both sides, but if I did please be civil about it. |
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| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 04:53 AM Post #27 |
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Because he had Gohan right there with him. His quote inside Super Buu paints a vastly different picture.
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Most "dangerous" Buu
Once again, SSJ2 Goku VS Kid Buu was filler. |
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| Saberoph | May 23 2014, 04:55 AM Post #28 |
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I know a lot of that was filler... since the Anime and filler was brought into this, I wanted to prove all of it was contradicted. |
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| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 04:58 AM Post #29 |
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Yeah but the Manga and Anime both have different powerscalling. If this were just Anime, then yes, Kid Buu would be the strongest Buu. Manga wise, Kid Buu is a joke compared to the high tier characters of the Buu Arc. |
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| Saberoph | May 23 2014, 05:00 AM Post #30 |
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Uh no. Even Anime wise Gohan Boo is still the strongest... since most of the evidence saying he's not is heavily contradicted by everything stated and shown before. |
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