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Jun 7 2014, 06:23 PM Post #106 |
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Because believing in such things is stupid and pointless, and it holds back our society. |
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| + Pointer | Jun 7 2014, 06:33 PM Post #107 |
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Faith doesnt do any harm just sayin |
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Jun 7 2014, 07:05 PM Post #108 |
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Really? Because I'm pretty sure religion has been the main thing holding back our society for hundreds of years. A faith like Christianity does harm because of the things the bible says, and the ridiculous things that people will believe and push upon others because of that. People can say all day long that they're not "forcing their religion on anyone," but they always are in some form or another unless they just completely discard what the bible and their deity says. |
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| + Pointer | Jun 7 2014, 08:01 PM Post #109 |
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Dont confuse hardcore catolicism with other religions. It fact Catolicism especially before 16th centuarry did horrible things for wealth /they do nowadays btw/ But you just can not judge the other because of the faults of one religion In fact the bible dont say anything about "force it to everybody" ....Catolicism did/does it I really dont know Actually I dont like this "main" christian religion either Because they do the exact opposite what the bible says They made self made symbols , like the statue or picture or whatever it is of Jesus and Maria
So all in all DO NOT jusge christianity through Catolicism... Christianity is not Catolicism .....Catolicism is christianity On topic As I said above/and previous threads These science vs religion thing is just a total mess Scientists dont want to prove that religion is wrong In fact a lot of great scientists were actually religious people They just want to fill their curiosity, that is what leads them, not the destruction of every religion.... Oh yeah someone here said that science is better than religion in terms of " rational " thinking They might be right however, As I said above Science will never ever answer all of the questions about the world If we figure something out, we got two more questions instead it is a never ending loop I am not sayin that the religion is better than science but let the people believe in whatever they want FAITH doesnt harm anybody or anything itself. Edited by Pointer, Jun 7 2014, 08:04 PM.
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| + Steve | Jun 7 2014, 08:23 PM Post #110 |
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But faith itself isn't religion, people can have faith in science  Faith is only an issue when it's blind to reality. Religion is still detrimental to society and it definitely is forced upon people, how many religious people have you ever heard of that didn't raise their kids to that religion? Children don't get a choice they're told that's how to live and they think that's normal and grow up that way, so it is forced. Then you have all the "God hates fags" bull and other things like that. Does science care if you're gay? Nope, maybe an individual scientist might but science just wants to understand homosexuality, religion largely wants to somehow ban it. Science accepts and religion rejects, that's the biggest difference between the two. Like stem cell research, even though it could do some amazing things religious people are largely against it and protest over it, anything against their religion they protest against even if it's extremely beneficial. And also faith can be harmful when combined with religion, refer to suicide bombers as to one way how. They blow themselves up and injure innocent people that their religion deems "infidels" or whatever because they have faith in their religion. |
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Jun 7 2014, 08:31 PM Post #111 |
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I don't think you understand Christianity or Catholicism, Cherry. Get back with me when you do. (Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, by the way. They are not separate.) |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jun 7 2014, 10:39 PM Post #112 |
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If we're looking at the U.S, faith and religion have done a massive amount of damage to a lot of people. http://americanhumanist.org/HNN/details/2012-05-unelectable-atheists-us-states-that-prohibit-godless Even if these pieces of legislation aren't applied, the fact is that they were at some point. Excluding somebody from taking office simply due to their lack of a belief in a Deity is unacceptable. It's a blatant disregard of the Separation of Church and State for one and it oppresses Atheists and non-believers. Then you get to the stories of people being too scared to publicly come out as homosexual due to their fear of their parents' reactions. Can you say that it's perfectly acceptable for a teenager to be too scared to be themselves around their parents because they're afraid they'll be kicked out to the street and disowned? That's what faith does. People interpret scripture as telling them that being homosexual is wrong, and their strong belief in that directly affects their actions. Linking back to my earlier point is how Religion affects Politics. Many representatives make decisions based on their beliefs; if a controversial piece of legislation is put forward in say, the House of Representatives, will representatives make their decisions based on logic, or faith? I'd put my money on faith. Religion should be a passive thing. That's why I don't understand why there was such a controversy about prohibiting mandatory, teacher-led prayer in the U.S. If somebody is religious, they should practice their religion on their own back. Believing in a God shouldn't be the norm. Let's take the previously mentioned situation and look at why the decision was logical. You've got 30 kids in a classroom. 25 of them are Christian, while the rest don't believe in Christianity. Option A is allowing mandatory, teacher-led prayer, while option B is prohibiting it. Option A - The 5 who don't believe in Christianity are forced to listen to and participate in the prayer, despite not believing it. Option B - The 25 Christians are still capable of praying in their own time and the 5 who aren't Christians aren't forced to participate in prayer. Which option seems like the best one for all parties involved? Faith in a passive sense is acceptable. I may not agree with it even then, but I can tolerate it. Faith in an active sense, however, is an entirely different story. When it begins to affect legislation and causes hatred/oppression/discrimination in a 'legally acceptable' way, then there's a major problem that needs to be addressed. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jun 8 2014, 12:15 AM Post #113 |
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I don't think Christianity is bad. I think it's the people that give it a bad name. The bible actually says not to force your religion on people. Then you see Christians do it anyway. The bible says to love everyone but then you hear Christians say I hate homosexuals people because they're homosexual. Basically, you're supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner Look at the Ten Commandments. There's no way following the Ten Commandments would hurt our society. It's that people call themselves Christians and then go do bad stuff. That's the issue |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 8 2014, 04:43 AM Post #114 |
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Science's job isn't to prove or disprove anything. You can't possibly disprove the existence of something because science's purpose is to conclude truths from compiling evidence, not conclude truths from the absence of it. If there's no relevant evidence to support a claim, you can only assume that this stuff doesn't exist or isn't true, but you can't know for certain. Science is the study of how the universe works, however, sometimes the results contradict what it says in religious texts. This is the reason why they conflict. For example, "Theories" in science aren't just simple opinions made by people. These are accepted facts, but the "theory" part is how the evidence fits together to make the concept work. The Theory of Evolution is an accepted scientific fact because all the evidence points to the process of genetic change from generation to generation, and over thousands or millions of generations, the genes become so different that the organism becomes an entirely different species. The concept of "gravity" is also a "theory", but obviously since it's directly observable, it can't be disproven. |
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| + Ginyu | Jun 8 2014, 06:07 AM Post #115 |
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Faith and religion are two different things. Faith might not do damage to anyone but religion definitely will. Just take a look at every war in the History of mankind. I'll guarantee you the majority has religious motives to have started. Or how about homosexuals and transfenders? Try to tell those people religion has never harmed anyone. Edited by Ginyu, Jun 8 2014, 06:11 AM.
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| + Pointer | Jun 8 2014, 09:57 AM Post #116 |
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Yeah it is a branch yet still you blame the whole Christianity for the past faults of Catolicism It is like killing the whole village because someone from the street XYZ f***ed a young girl in the next village
You "proved" your points with the evolution but it does not mean that you proved universally....No Examples : Big Bang Theory M Theory String Theory Atomic Theory They are all just theories Not PROVEN FACTS. FACTS>>THEORIES Edited by Pointer, Jun 8 2014, 10:02 AM.
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| + Steve | Jun 8 2014, 10:15 AM Post #117 |
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And what does any religious text prove about those? If you wrote a story about a big yellow dinosaur with a lazy eye that created the universe by farting in its sleep, that holds just as much evidence as religious texts. Religion is at a standstill and has been for thousands of years where science is always moving forward, you can't say that science will never discover certain things, maybe they won't but they still could because they actually try. |
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| + Pointer | Jun 8 2014, 10:17 AM Post #118 |
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dont get me wrong I didnt say anything about the UNIVERSE SOLVING ABILITIES OF RELIGION All I said that YOU overestimate the current abilities of the mighty science. It is also that weak as religion in terms of PROBLEM SOLVING, if not worse |
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| + Ginyu | Jun 8 2014, 10:54 AM Post #119 |
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Sorry, maybe it's because English isn't my native language, but I have no idea what you were trying to say here... I think you're saying that in terms of problem solving, religion is just as weak as science? Which is simply not true. Religion creates theories based on nothing, and those theories always consist of something supernatural that in no way can be explained or has ever been witnessed before by anyone. Science creates theories that are based on objective observations and logical events. Science discovers new things everyday, therefore science is moving forward. Religion is not, they say one thing and they stick with that for 2000 years. That is of course, until science proves it wrong and then they blame it on how god is omnipotent and omniscient and you can't comprehend it. Edited by Ginyu, Jun 8 2014, 10:57 AM.
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| + Steve | Jun 8 2014, 12:25 PM Post #120 |
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Yeah...what? Is religion 3D printing bones and even new craniums for people with injuries or disabilities? Is religion curing diseases and creating new technology that will help millions of people? No, religion has held back society for many many years. I can't help that think that without religion and all the wars caused by it our species would be so much more peaceful and prosperous, we'd have way better technology than we do now without religion holding us back at all. Science has it's hiccups every so often but it never goes backwards or stops, religion refuses to accept anything new if it's against it regardless of how logical it may be. When is the last time God made someone walk again? If anything if God is real science is cleaning up the problems it left us with, such as disease. The only good thing religion has ever done is unite people but then that becomes a problem when it's only in one place, when met with other people with other beliefs from other countries they just fight over who's correct. So really nothing significantly good has come out of it for our species. |
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