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| Janemba > Hildegarn ; Debunked | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 19 2014, 09:28 PM (3,093 Views) | |
| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 04:28 AM Post #31 |
 
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Maybe it's because Gogeta isn't as powerful as you think he might be. Also, my post should clear up the differences between M12 and M13 based on the Movie's release as well as how it lines up with the events of the Anime http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/topic/8194042/1/#new http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8986492&t=8473859 But like I said before, this debate has ran it's course for now and I don't feel like going over it again. Just wanted to thorough that info out. Edited by Yusuke, May 23 2014, 04:28 AM.
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| Alex D. Boss | May 23 2014, 01:21 PM Post #32 |
 
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I love how you're denying facts. Brainwashing people with your useless statements that no one follows , getting bipolar when someone disagrees. I swear though, I'm not going to say that you're a joke, but just because you're a Kanzenshuu guy doesnt make you any special. Nobody needs to follow Kanzenshuu logic with that guidebooks spreading BS. If you have something to say personally, we can do it anyday, baby. |
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| + Clearin | May 23 2014, 02:39 PM Post #33 |
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This entire thing seems screwy and I don't really get it. Apparently there's a quote, which I've never seen myself, and no one seems to know the link of, that stated Janemba > Hirudegarn. The quotes validity is heavily debated, so no one seems to know who said it, and now it's apparently been taken down, but it's the site itself that was taken down and it's not about the quote being taken down because it was wrong? I can't follow it. And then there's another quote which some writer said about villains getting stronger and stronger, although such a thing can't always be taken literally, for example Toriyama said the villains in the Buu saga "Got stronger and stronger", which is taken literally would mean Kid Buu being stronger than Super Buu. I have no idea where to stand on the issue. |
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| + Kaboom | May 23 2014, 05:04 PM Post #34 |
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I'm sorry, but you seem to have a woefully misguided impression of me and why I say the things I do.
Stand wherever you're most comfortable on it. These things are easier when you don't seek others' approval on your own opinions. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | May 23 2014, 05:39 PM Post #35 |
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what, i have never seen kaboom mean or rude or force soemthing on someone?????? hes a fairly chiil and cool dude...... @clearin, good point the quote about villians getting stronger, the dude also implies that broli is the strongest after beerus, o.0 |
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| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 05:49 PM Post #36 |
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I choose to believe what I believe because of how the movies line up with the Anime and the actual content of both movies. Beyond that, this is a subject that will never be commonly agreed on by everyone much like the Gotenks/Broly topics. Chances are, it will probably always stay that way. |
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| EMIYA | May 23 2014, 08:37 PM Post #37 |
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You should know better than that, Kaboom hasn't said anything inappropriate to you at all here and I've received a few warnings about this. Consider this in a verbal warning and try to settle down a bit. I believe Hurtles is stronger than Gemstone also but do try to keep it respectful- Father Brofist Now for the topic, let's say this whole "Janemba>Hirudengard quote was real. It's been taken off and hasn't appeared anywhere else in any other guidebooks or other assortment of information that we know of. Isn't using this so called quote similar to the idea of me using the old "Vegeta was at 20,000 against Recoome) That was used in the first release even though this thing has been taken off and changed? If your going to have Janemba stronger, I think a lot more information should be used than a quote than may potentially not even be real. |
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| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 09:04 PM Post #38 |
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That's why I supported my opinion with movie release dates (how it relates to the Anime) and content in both movies. Not calling out anyone or anything but I think people who support Janemba > Hildegarn should put more substance in their arguments other than the quote that has been discussed for some time. Maybe some evidence from the actual movies would be better for debates like these. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | May 23 2014, 09:08 PM Post #39 |
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for starters this is a repeat thread of one like 2 weeks ago 2nd its conjecture to assume the haxing for both sides so ........ u cant determine how much haxed one is compared to another |
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| Event Horizon | May 23 2014, 09:09 PM Post #40 |
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I've always had Hildegarn far above Janemba. I personally don't place M12 SSJ3 Goku far ahead of Buu arc SSJ3 Goku. And I simply just don't see Janemba having the strength to punch SSJ3 Gotenks out of Fusion and take out Ultimate Gohan effortlessly. |
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| + Yusuke | May 23 2014, 09:16 PM Post #41 |
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It is possible to determine the type of movie haxing via Anime/Movie release dates. Just Saiyan. But my point is that Out-of-Universe quotes by movie directors aren't always reliable and debates on Movies are better of to be discussed primarily on the content of it and how it relates to the Anime. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | May 23 2014, 09:19 PM Post #42 |
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u cant determine what they were thinking u can assume though quotes are good imo but w/e |
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| + Kaboom | May 23 2014, 10:31 PM Post #43 |
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I'm going to put the finishing touches on that Movie 13 analysis I've mentioned and post it sometime this weekend. |
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| Alex D. Boss | May 24 2014, 11:32 AM Post #44 |
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I just said what I had to say. Nobody is or should be superior here. What you said about the topic is said many things as I explained too , but its still being denied. |
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| + Clearin | May 24 2014, 12:45 PM Post #45 |
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I don't really think the movie release date proves anything, for one thing is there any proof the adults were ever not haxed in the Buu saga? The only time I can think of is when Vegeta gets his a*** kicked by Fat Buu, but then Fat Buu may also have been haxed, right? But whether they were or not doesn't matter too much because the Anime was up to the Super Buu saga at that point, which is the point in the saga the adults were haxed. Sure they hadn't actually appeared yet, but Toei may have already had it in mind to hax them (I can imagine them thinking Goku was never going to be weaker than Gotenks, so as soon as Gotenks was made, Goku was haxed in Toei's mind). I'm not saying Goku was haxed, I don't think there's any evidence either way, but using release dates doesn't work for me because it implies that Toei honestly believed if they were going to hax someone then they'd have to wait for the Anime to do it before doing it in a movie, which is just saying they have a set of rules they follow for breaking rules (of the Manga). The only thing the release date tells me is that Gotenks had already been shown in the anime, and since I believe Toei haxed Goku to keep him above Gotenks, then it's all I need to believe there's a chance Goku was haxed in the movie. |
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