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How strong are the Base Saiyans?
Topic Started: May 17 2014, 06:05 PM (3,450 Views)
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But how can the multiplier stay 50x base? Ssj goku was 3,000 kili. If it was 50x base then base goku would only be 60 kilis. Base goku and yakon didn't have a big gap between each other did they? And to top it off, 60 kili's is nowhere near where he should be since dabura and the daizenshuu say you need 200-300 kili to destroy 1-2 planets. Base goku can easily destroy a planet or 2 by then
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That Kiri system is definitely not linear. There is also some other guide that claims 1 Kiri = 50,000 power level, or something along those lines. It makes no sense.
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May 18 2014, 01:38 AM
That Kiri system is definitely not linear. There is also some other guide that claims 1 Kiri = 50,000 power level, or something along those lines. It makes no sense.
V jump is the one who said 1 kili=50,000 power level and we all know how unreliable v jump can be. What they're saying makes no sense because ssj goku who is 3,000 kili would have a power level of 150,000,000, which he had way before that. So the kili system is fine, it's v jump that isn't taking into account the gains goku made after frieza
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I don't take into account that guide, but it makes no sense still.

200-300 Kiri to destroy a planet, yet Base Goku is only around 800 Kiri. That my friend is nonsense. Saiyan Arc Vegeta could absolutely destroy a planet, so he is 200 Kiri? Don't tell me that Son Goku is only 4 times stronger than him.
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Dang, didn't think about that part lol. Yeah that makes no sense then
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Exactly. There really is no indication of the multiplier going down like that. I can see an implication in the Android arc, but nowhere else that I can think of.
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May 18 2014, 02:02 AM
Exactly. There really is no indication of the multiplier going down like that. I can see an implication in the Android arc, but nowhere else that I can think of.
Sorry to get off topic, but is it possible that the multiplier was never 50x base and it's actually a little lower? Since goku and frieza took a beating before goku turned ssj and frieza used 100% forms
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May 18 2014, 02:02 AM
Exactly. There really is no indication of the multiplier going down like that. I can see an implication in the Android arc, but nowhere else that I can think of.
Sorry to get off topic, but is it possible that the multiplier was never 50x base and it's actually a little lower? Since goku and frieza took a beating before goku turned ssj and frieza used 100% forms
Not really. Despite both of them taking a beating, they still had reserves. Freeza was 100% confident that he reached his full power.

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The Saiyans basic form in the Buu arc could have a power of almost 33% - 40% of Freeza maximum power.

The kiri system is a unity of measure not comparable to that Zenos unity. Babidi know that almost half of the energy to fill for the awakening of Fat Buu are needed hundreds of warriors Earth , while we know that energy was taken by Gohan SSJ2 , assuming that an average human being has the equivalent of 1 kiri , also only have 2-3 kiri is vastly superior and not just the double-triple.
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Look who's come back to the DBZ section. :p

I have the Base Saiyans only slightly above The Namek in the Boo arc... but if it came to a brawl and no SS, I believe it would be hard to tell.

I don't see how Base Saiyans could still be on Frieza's level in the Boo arc. No where in the Manga is it implied or stated there is some magical number added to the SS Multiplier. Also, SS3 power is SS2 power, that is SS power and SS power is Base power, so if a Saiyans Base does not increase... following Z logic the saiyans SS powers doesn't increase either. Unless there's a line from the Manga that debunks this.
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Freeza > Base Saiyans?

No chance, no chance in hell.

That'd put the Base Saiyans below Kaioshin, and anyone with a functioning brain knows that's not the case.
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Base saiyans can not be below frieza

If they are, that would mean the *10 ssj increase is totally ridiculous.. even *50

They are all above frieza ...especially after Cell arc
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I don't know it is safe to say that "anyone with functioning brain knows that base saiyans>kaioshin". Someone my take this as an insult. Anyway Kaioshin states that he is inferior to Goku after he transformed, doesn't he?
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When meeting Goku, Kaioshin tells him that he is looking forward to battling him, but admits in having no confidence of winning or something along those lines.

However, on the ship, he doesn't admit inferiority until after Goku displays a burst of his SSJ2 power.

As for Vegeta destroying the planet...he never had the chance to prove his statement correct. I prefer to think he was lying to Goku so that he would be forced to take on or challenge his blast, similar to how he challenged Cell into taking his Final Flash by attacking his pride.
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May 21 2014, 08:13 AM
That'd put the Base Saiyans below Kaioshin, and anyone with a functioning brain knows that's not the case.
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