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Is Kid Boo honestly stronger than Fat Boo?
Topic Started: May 17 2014, 04:26 AM (978 Views)
EMIYA May 17 2014, 04:26 AM Post #1
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 I need some helpful references.

Kid Boo is stronger than Fat Boo right? Is there anything at all that actually says Fat Boo is weaker than Kid Boo.

1.) Both are stated to be able to be defeated by Goku if he got to full power

2.) Both of them manhandled Vegeta.

Boo is stated to have gotten weaker because of absorbing Dai Kaioshin, but this may only infer to the point that Kid Boo got much weaker than his Buff Boo form who of course was pounding out at Super Boo+ at the time. Is it not entirely possibly that Fat Boo actually is stronger than Kid Boo (perhaps not by a lot) and that while stronger, Dai Kaioshin's influence both makes him weaker than he could be and more controllable?

I'm looking back and perhaps I'm missing something in the whole mess of details. Now I don't think there's a problem with Fatty being weaker but what I'm asking is, can anyone provide me with some evidence that actually supports it? I'm drawing a few blanks atm.
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SSJ May 17 2014, 04:28 AM Post #2
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 Goku stated later that he could have easily wiped out Fat Boo if he went all out. The difference is, he went all out vs Kid Boo but he couldn't finish the job.
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EMIYA May 17 2014, 04:31 AM Post #3
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 But that was because Gokiu was messing around and showing off against Kid Boo which of course wasted his time and stamina.


Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”

Again its the same thing for both places. If Goku reached full power he could defeat Fat Boo and if he could reach full power he could defeat Kid Boo. Due to foolishness or stamina issues, in both cases he was never able to actually do that. Not to mention it was implied that Fat Boo was just having fun and lollygagging as well during his fight.
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Rogafufuken May 17 2014, 04:31 AM Post #4
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May 17 2014, 04:28 AM
Goku stated later that he could have easily wiped out Fat Boo if he went all out. The difference is, he went all out vs Kid Boo but he couldn't finish the job.
Well, when he faced Kid Boo, the SSJ3 form used up more of his energy.

However, I agree that Kid Boo is stronger.
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Dankness Lava May 17 2014, 04:33 AM Post #5
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Goku stated later that he could have easily wiped out Fat Boo if he went all out. The difference is, he went all out vs Kid Boo but he couldn't finish the job.
Could a lot of that have to do with personality?
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+ Yusuke May 17 2014, 04:35 AM Post #6
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 I have them relatively not far away from each other.

SSJ3 Goku had a slight advantage over Fat Buu where as he and Pure Buu were almost dead on equals.

To scale, I have...

Fat Buu: 200
SSJ3 Goku/Pure Buu: 220
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+ Havoc_Wreaker May 17 2014, 04:46 AM Post #7
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 well vegeta senses goku in ssj3 before hand granted not at full power though,
but when he sees goku fight kiddy, hes in awe and says they're both stronger then he could have imagined
pretty sure daiz says something about kiddy being stronger - not 100% sure though

and thing was with fat buu, goku could have won if he wanted to at any time
with kid buu the case is the same here, but the way he talks implies its harder to do so
that he did show off but in the sense of not fishing kid buu off but still pounding him enough
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EMIYA May 17 2014, 04:47 AM Post #8
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SSJ3 Goku had a slight advantage over Fat Buu where as he and Pure Buu were almost dead on equals


I'm not too sure about that but let us remember a few things. One the battle with Fat in the manga is a lot shorter than it was with Kid Boo..it was basically a chapter and so honestly Goku got to do a lot more with Kid Boo than he did Fat Boo. Another thing to note is because of Boo's property, he can actually take hits. Goku's physical attacks don't mean jack to Boo because Goku can't deplete Boo's stamina.

You'll notice it both with Fat Boo and Kid Boo, neither of them try to dodge or heck block even. They just take it to the face and keep on going.
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+ Havoc_Wreaker May 17 2014, 04:50 AM Post #9
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 i think thats partly attributed to the fact that gokus stronger and they cant dodge his attacks
and the fact that there not fighting gods like goku js
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EMIYA May 17 2014, 04:54 AM Post #10
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 If you can find me such a quote from the Daiz. or Guidebooks that would be awesome.

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and thing was with fat buu, goku could have won if he wanted to at any time
with kid buu the case is the same here, but the way he talks implies its harder to do so
that he did show off but in the sense of not fishing kid buu off but still pounding him enough


Again I'm not too sure about that.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”

Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3…However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…”

These are the lines on Kid Boo and Fat Boo respectedly but reading them neither one sounds like Goku's going to have an easier time with the other.
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+ Saiyan Paladin May 17 2014, 05:34 AM Post #11
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 I think of Pure Boo as being stronger because SSj3 Goku seemed to have more trouble with him than Fat Boo (Based of their rather short manga fights). Goku didn't really seem too concerned as a SSj3 vs. Fatty, but he looked like he was going all-out vs. Pure Boo.

Then there is the whole Dead SSj3 Goku vs. Living SSj3 Goku.... but I still think of Pure Boo holding an advantage.

Some Numbers;

SSj3 Goku - 40

Pure Boo - 40ish
Fat Boo - 35ish (Still can't settle on a power placement for him, below SSj3 Goku fits though)

SSj2 Vegeta - 10

Something like that, I think Fat Boo and Pure Boo are pretty close though.
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* Ketchup Revenge May 17 2014, 05:44 AM Post #12
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 I've actually wondered this exact same thing, and have considered that Kid Boo and (Pre-Split) Fat Boo were the same strength. Of course Post-Split Fat Boo is way weaker than his Pre-Split self, which explains why he got beat so badly.

Something also worth mentioning is that nothing is ever stated about The Great Lord of Lords' sacrifice actually making Boo weaker than Kid Boo. All we know is that it "tamed" him to a degree.
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+ Pointer May 17 2014, 09:36 AM Post #13
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 Technically It is impossible and here is why

Kid buu =10

Fat Buu/ Kid buu+kaioshin absorbed/=10+?

? represents the power of that kaioshin

However this logic can be easily destroyed if we assume that When buu absorbs a kai or something it does not increase its power rather decrease it

Who knows

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Alex D. Boss May 17 2014, 01:00 PM Post #14
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May 17 2014, 04:26 AM
I need some helpful references.

Kid Boo is stronger than Fat Boo right? Is there anything at all that actually says Fat Boo is weaker than Kid Boo.

1.) Both are stated to be able to be defeated by Goku if he got to full power

2.) Both of them manhandled Vegeta.

Boo is stated to have gotten weaker because of absorbing Dai Kaioshin, but this may only infer to the point that Kid Boo got much weaker than his Buff Boo form who of course was pounding out at Super Boo+ at the time. Is it not entirely possibly that Fat Boo actually is stronger than Kid Boo (perhaps not by a lot) and that while stronger, Dai Kaioshin's influence both makes him weaker than he could be and more controllable?

I'm looking back and perhaps I'm missing something in the whole mess of details. Now I don't think there's a problem with Fatty being weaker but what I'm asking is, can anyone provide me with some evidence that actually supports it? I'm drawing a few blanks atm.


We know that Goku could defeat both Buu's. However , judging at the Goku Kid Boo fight , we don't know for sure if Goku could really defeat him as Kid Boo had moments where he wasn't serious too.

I think Kid Boo is above Fat Boo for sure.

Edited by Alex D. Boss, May 17 2014, 01:01 PM.
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+ Clearin May 17 2014, 01:24 PM Post #15
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 My post is only really going to deal with Goku vs Kid Buu. I'm not sure we ever got an indication of just how easily Goku could have beat Fat Buu, only that he could have done it.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”

Okay this line tells us Goku can kill Buu if he gathers all of his Ki, and Goku confirms that what he has been trying to do. The point is that Goku hasn't found an opening to do so, it's not that he's holding back. A lot of people take this line:

Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”

to mean that Goku was holding back (showing off). I think the showing off part is just referring to the fact he didn't fuse, as he pointed out at the start of the same quote. Goku even says he went all out from the start:

Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”

From these quotes what I'm getting is that Goku can kill Kid Buu, but he needs to use a fully charged blast agaisnt him, and Buu doesn't give him the chance to charge one up.

It doesn't help much because this is the only quote we have regarding Goku vs Fat buu:

Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3…However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…”

For all we know he might have needed a fully charged blast agaisnt Fatty too. But I think Goku was doing somewhat better agaisnt Fat Buu, so that's enough for me to put Kid over Fat.
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