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| EMIYA | May 16 2014, 04:08 AM Post #1 |
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I have always has SSj2 Kid Gohan over Cell...very closely rivaling but with the advantage in power to Gohan overall. It's always been easier to do it like that and despite being the Cell fan, I've always felt the need to just give the advantage to Gohan. However now a days I feel the need to change things up a bit. There's a few things we need to take into account with the entire battle involving Cell and Gohan. 1.) Cell's chi blast took over 50% of Gohan's ki. That is absolutely insane. I would like one person to name a fight where a person nearly equal if not somewhat weaker than another person, threw out casual blast and blew off more than 50% of that person's ki. I personally can't think of one myself. Had it been implied to be amped. Even an implied amplified blast doing that excessive amount of damage is tremendous. 2.) Gohan is noted many times to getting rage boosts and if we infer what we see in the Boo Arc its very well possible Gohan got another boost once he kills Cell. It would help the idea that Adult Gohan could be weaker than Vegeta, but if he got that same boost he did against Cell, his power would rise even more. This essentially puts Gohan once he kills Cell (and by virtue the point of him being at his strongest known point. Now Goku and Vegeta both imply that if Adult Gohan got this same boost, they could potentially be stronger than him. 3.) A few things lined in Cell's defeat. He had to be distracted and apparently they had to boost Gohan up as well. For me, if Initial SSJ2 Gohan can't defeat Cell by himself, why distract Cell? Why give Gohan this huge boost of implied power (the guides and other stuff even go on about how he's taking power from Goku) unless that stuff was necessary. What I have come up with is essentially an idea I've thought about in the past but it wasn't until now that I've really thought about using it seriously. Before I just had SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta>SSJ2 Kid Gohan>Zenkai Perfect Cell...with each side coming close to each in some regards. Kid Gohan closer to Cell than to the adults imo. But now I think I need to spread out a bit and change things. SSJ2 Kid Gohan (Enraged)>SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta>~<Zenkai Perfect Cell>SSJ2 Kid Gohan (Initial) With Enraged Gohan essentially being the Gohan that killed Cell. Here Cell is now above Initial Gohan and considering the damage he put and the things that took to kill him, maybe somewhat significant. This also brings him much closer to Goku and Majin Vegeta, potentially even surpassing them again considering it took such a Gohan that was implied to be stronger than them to kill him. But at the very least it helps to change what was perhaps a decent size gap between the adults and Cell to a now much closer match up. Gohan meanwhile when enraged is clearly the strongest and probably has a decent size gap over the adults especially if an enraged Adult Gohan who is far far weaker than his child form can still be potentially stronger than the adults. With Cell its a lot harder to point down. Cell can actually be much stronger than the adults and be coming near Enraged Gohan. Or he might only be around or even less than the adults and be significantly weaker than an Enraged Gohan. Even as the Cell fan as much as I'd like to have Cell that strong, I would try to stay neutral to the whole thing there. Discuss friends. |
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| + Yusuke | May 16 2014, 05:08 AM Post #2 |
 
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The only rage boost Gohan got was when he initially transformed into SSJ2. Gohan was able to kill Cell because of Vegeta distracting him hence him not putting a lot of effort in that specific portion of the beam struggle. It's the same concept for Gohan getting hit by Cell's beam. He was clearly off guard when Cell shot the blast at Vegeta and his only concern was to protect Vegeta. Also, the blast just so happened to hit him on his arm which just so happens to be a vital necessity for DBZ fights hence Gohan losing half of his ki. With all that, I get something like this... SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta > SSJ Enraged Kid Gohan > SSJ2 Pre-Majin Vegeta > Hypothetical Non-Enraged SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SSJ2 Teen Gohan That's my take on the whole SSJ2 debate. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 16 2014, 05:08 AM Post #3 |
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Gohan's power is so versatile it's actually really difficult to place him. However, there's also the possibility that his Kamehameha was amped. And from what we gathered from Goku in the fight against Raditz, he was able to amp about 2.25x (perhaps a bit higher). Just say that Super Cell was only 75% of healthy Gohan. Gohan's injury would've knocked him down to 33.3% weaker than Super Cell (so 66.6% as strong as Cell). However, if his Kamehameha was amped, his attack alone could then be stronger than himself when he was healthy, and thus stronger than Cell. I'm under the impression that Cell didn't amp his because he was convinced he could beat Gohan. If Gohan would've amped his because of his injury, than Cell's could've more or less roughly matched Gohan's. However, we also need to consider that Gohan was holding back because he was afraid of what would happen to the Earth if he went all out. He probably knew that Cell would amp his the second that he did his own, so the distraction from Vegeta was all he needed. |
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Not really On-Topic, but there are theories that Gohan blocked (mentally) some of his power, because of his low confidence after Cell blasted him. It could actually make sense considering Ki is apparently made up of courage. Edited by StrawHatCrew, May 16 2014, 05:33 AM.
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| + Saiyan Paladin | May 16 2014, 05:45 AM Post #5 |
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To be honest, I'm beating a dead horse but, Gohan's power is plot. We can't calculate a '50% SSj2 (Kid) Gohan's power'. He managed to overcome a 'Distracted Cell' in their beam struggle. Some numbers I like to use; (Keep in mind I use SEG multipliers). SSj 2 Kid Gohan - 10 FP Perfect Cell - 7.5 'Super Perfect Cell' - 9.5-10ish (You pick) MSSj Goku (CG) - 4 MSSj Vegeta/Trunks (CG) - ~3 MSSj Goku (Boo arc) - 6 MSSj Vegeta (Boo Arc - 4.5 (SSj2 - 9) SSj2 Goku/SSj2 Majin Vegeta - 12 MSSj Teen Gohan - 4.1 SSj2 Teen Gohan - 8.2 I roll with something like that, I think the SSj2's at that point weren't THAT far apart in power. |
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| EMIYA | May 16 2014, 05:53 AM Post #6 |
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Considering Cell spent an entire chapter charging up his KHH, personally I'm not sure how he would've ended up not amplifying it. I think there's a point where you can hold back your power but unless you release the attack soon, it's going to build up and amplify and frankly Cell was building it up for a while. With that in mind, Gohan would've had to have amplified his power also otherwise he's just not going to get up to Cell but of course he's holding back his power because of fear of damaging the Earth. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 16 2014, 04:36 PM Post #7 |
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There's really nothing wrong with having Cell stronger. I personally see them as equals with Cell taking Gohan's arm out, thus reducing the effectiveness of his Kamehameha, but if you want him to be stronger, go for it. One could argue Cell being distracted gave Gohan the victory or one could argue that Gohan got a little boost putting him over Cell when Goku yelled NOW! This whole situation is rather ambiguous. |
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| sekzee | May 16 2014, 05:14 PM Post #8 |
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SSJ2 Goku/SSJ2 Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Kid Gohan (Finishing Cell) > SSJ2 Kid Gohan (Latent Power Unleashed) ~ Super Perfect Cell >> SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SSJ2 Teen Gohan |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | May 17 2014, 04:20 PM Post #9 |
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This doesn't work. Goku's statement is refuted by two other statements. Vegeta says that he and Goku were both stronger than CG Gohan. Piccolo says that Vegeta may be stronger than CG Gohan. The difference between Goku's statements and these ones is that the former is a prediction whereas the latter are assertions. Knowing Goku, he may have said that in part to boost Gohan's confidence. CG Gohan was more skilled and powerful than Buu saga Gohan. Not to mention, CG Gohan was ticked off. A ticked off Buu saga Gohan can't be more powerful than a ticked off CG Gohan in my book |
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