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| Did SSj Goku get a rage boost on Namek? | |
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| SSJ | May 16 2014, 10:25 PM Post #16 |
 
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No. I'm not doing your work. That's not how debates work my friend. I know 85-90% of the quotes in the strength checker, and nothing suggests there being dormant power. And I have read the manga multiple times, and there are no implications of this. And your comparison doesn't work. Gohan is shown to be able to use SSJ 2 against Kibito, but is later unable to. When Gohan is against Boo, he says that he can't get angry, hence why he couldnt use SSJ 2. |
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May 16 2014, 10:48 PM Post #17 |
 
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SuperSaiyan2, I think he has a valid point you cannot defeat him in a debate. Prove to me how Gohan did not get another rage-boost on top of his SSj2 transformation. His power always increased from what it would normally be in the manga whenever he angered. Prove me that it was any different this time. ...& he'll admit defeat if you can. Edited by StrawHatCrew, May 16 2014, 10:49 PM.
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| SSJ | May 16 2014, 10:54 PM Post #18 |
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When Gohan was battling Cell's kamehameha, there was no mention of anger. In fact, all that was mentioned was Gohan holding back. As a guy who needs evidence to make a claim, there is nothing which backs that up. While he was angry when he transformed, that was the trigger of the transformation. It was the same type of thing as the first SSJ transformation.
Note: "after his anger exploded". Gohan got extremely angry triggering the transformation, there is no rage boost that is mentioned. |
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May 16 2014, 11:02 PM Post #19 |
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Now please, tell me how you answer the quote in the Boo Saga, where Goku says if Gohan gets angry(like he did @ cell), no1 can beat him. |
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| sekzee | May 16 2014, 11:04 PM Post #20 |
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..."how high his dormant power is." "...our powers are higher than his now...but there is no telling what would happen if he were to snap and go into a frenzy..." "...I am beginning to understand what father meant about me being the only one being able to defeat you...when I would get angry, I would begin fighting with outrageous power...father must be counting on that..." "...at least you are stronger than Gohan was against Cell..." "...get angry Gohan...if you get angry and let out all of your power..." Paraphrasing, but you get the point... Edited by sekzee, May 16 2014, 11:05 PM.
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| SSJ | May 16 2014, 11:04 PM Post #21 |
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That's contradicted though. I'm honestly tempted to say that Toriyama forgot that he made Gohan SSJ 2 against Kibito. I hate to blame the writing, but that's all I can do here. Goku tells him to get angry, sure. However, Gohan then says that he can't get angry, and that corresponds with him not being able to access SSJ 2. |
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May 16 2014, 11:08 PM Post #22 |
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Dat conjecture. Even with him not being able to access SSj2 in the Boo Saga, it's heavily implied there that he did have a rage-boost on top of SSj2 power at the Cell-Games. Edited by StrawHatCrew, May 16 2014, 11:10 PM.
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| SSJ | May 16 2014, 11:11 PM Post #23 |
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The problem I have with this argument is that SSJ 2 was meant to be the culmination of his rage. The form itself was all of his rage unleashed. So while you may have a point that Gohan's SSJ 2 power may not be consistent (given Vegeta's statement), I think SSJ 2 is the rage itself. Gohan can only use the form when he is angry.
My response to sekzee kind of covers this. I feel as though SSJ 2 is the rage, I don't think here is a boost on top of it. He is only a SSJ 2 when he is angry for some reason. Edited by SSJ, May 16 2014, 11:11 PM.
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May 16 2014, 11:16 PM Post #24 |
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But what about Vegeta's quote stating that you'd never know what happen, if he'd "snap into a frenzy" (his normal SSj2 power will most likely stay around the same level if you go by multipliers)? You still have to answer that Mr.
Edited by StrawHatCrew, May 16 2014, 11:17 PM.
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| SSJ | May 16 2014, 11:19 PM Post #25 |
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I did answer lol. I admitted that his power may fluctuate, but Vegeta doesn't have proof for that either. All Vegeta is considering is young kid Gohan (Namek and earlier) going into a frenzy. The fact of the matter is that Gohan was calm the entire time that he was a SSJ 2, he never snapped or anything. Vegeta is considering that the random rage moment could happen while he was in SSJ 2, but he has no proof of that himself. |
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May 16 2014, 11:27 PM Post #26 |
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Even if he was calm, where is the proof that there is no rage-boost on top of that (you can still be angry but don't necessarily have to just keep shouting, I heard of a quite-rage theory). ...& you sir are making assumptions by saying that he is only talking about Namek & prior, where is the evidence. I want stone cold evidence. There is also Goku saying that Gohan should specifically get angry like he did at the Cell-Games, yet in your opinion he was calm right. Also he says no1 in the entire world could beat him if he was angry like that so you want to tell me: SSj2 Gohan (Calm) > SSj2 Goku It was made obvious that Goku/Vegeta > Gohan so SSj2 being his anger personified doesn't work. Answer. We want answers, sir. Please answer. Edited by StrawHatCrew, May 16 2014, 11:29 PM.
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| sekzee | May 16 2014, 11:31 PM Post #27 |
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I wonder what Goku and Vegeta get so angry about to transform into SSJ2. I mean, Vegeta...I guess that's easy to assume...  As a matter of fact, Goku looked very calm when he displayed the transformations to Buu. Hmm... Yeah, Gohan wasn't pissed off at Cell or anything. He was obviously thinking clearly and calmly when he opted to torture Cell. So like that gentle Gohan we all know. /sarcasm Edited by sekzee, May 16 2014, 11:32 PM.
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May 16 2014, 11:34 PM Post #28 |
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sarcasm doesn't fit you, please stay respectful. |
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| SSJ | May 16 2014, 11:39 PM Post #29 |
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I think you just misunderstood my entire post. First of all, where has Gohan ever snapped into rage mode besides Namek and prior to that? Never. He never has raged other than those times. Vegeta is recalling that from his memory as that is the only time Gohan has ever done that. When Gohan was beginning to rage while in Super Saiyan, he transformed, he didn't snap into a frenzy. This is no assumption. And you misunderstand when I say calm. Do you not remember the look on Gohan's face? He looked like a stone cold serial killer. He was angry sure, but not like he was when he raged in the earlier arcs. He was able to control his anger this time around.
Let me tell you something kid. If there is one thing I hate in debates, it is when people use sarcasm. Goku and Vegeta achieved the form differently than Gohan, so they didnt need the emotional portion of the transformation. Yes, Goku looked extremely calm. What is your point? Gohan was thinking clearly. Comparing this anger to his anger on Namek, it's obvious he had much more control in the Cell arc. He was actually going by instinct in the early arcs, but he did have control in the Cell arc. |
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| sekzee | May 16 2014, 11:39 PM Post #30 |
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No disrespect intended. Think of it as reverse psychology. 
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