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DBZ is nothing special anymore lol
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POOHEAD189	May 17 2014, 03:14 AM Post #91
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	While you make good points, I don't think its so much a difference in effort as it is a difference in pre-planning. Toriyama was known for winging it, mainly because he constantly had a dead line and people wanting him to do this and that with characters. Hiromu Arakawa wasn't as fast paced with making chapters (until the climax) and did a lot of study before hand. Toriyama originally made DB as just some comedy but with time it became the shonen manga/anime that set the bar for all the others. Despite him winging it, he still managed to put in plenty of chinese philosophy and rules with his universe. I'm actually more than impressed with Toriyama. He did something hardly anyone else could do with planning...without really planning.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


Ben	May 17 2014, 03:47 AM Post #92
Posts: 564 Group: Donator Member #10,230 Joined: September 20, 2013 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	People have been making these threads since the beginning of bulletin boards.... DBZ is mindless entertainment. I like it in the same way that I like Die Hard, or Top Gun, or 300. Is it high art? No. But very little anime is (and if you're an artist, Toriyama's work really is fantastic from a purely aesthetic standpoint, I don't think anyone denies that). If you want a series that is challenging, deals with philosophical concepts, etc. dig into Leiji Matsumoto, Miyazaki or Tomino's work. If you want a fun way to kill some time, there's no series better than DBZ IMHO. Edited by Ben, May 17 2014, 03:48 AM.



EMIYA	May 17 2014, 03:58 AM Post #93
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	All I mean to say is that, there's a standard on a professional level that we come to expect. It's like art and a professional can notice mistakes that we wouldn't have notice or see how what we might see as just paint splatter is actually utilizing some sort of professionalism that can be re-created. Had Toriyama had more time, maybe he could've pulled off better work. Now to be honest, most of AT's so called "Development" pretty much happened in early Dragon Ball. It was there that he was fleshing out his characters, giving them personalities and letting them change. While I still don't see it on the same level as FMA, I do believe it was better done there including the story telling than it was later on DBZ which just came off as rushed mindless entertainment. AT probably at least had an idea of what he wanted at the start and went with that and created his characters and changed them. Unfortunately for him he had this massive second part of the story we know as DBZ and it went from telling a story to just rushing the pages I think. This is I think another reason why I think a lot of people who have read the early DB chapters, enjoy it a bit more than what's going on later in Z. It might be because of the adventure and comedy but if I had to make a guess it's as I mentioned above. That's where AT's story telling and development are arguably at their prime. Bringing up Bleach again, this is why people like the Soul Society Arc I believe, its where Kubo's writing is at his prime. Edited by EMIYA, May 17 2014, 04:02 AM.



Ben	May 17 2014, 04:06 AM Post #94
Posts: 564 Group: Donator Member #10,230 Joined: September 20, 2013 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Father Brofist May 17 2014, 03:58 AM All I mean to say is that, there's a standard on a professional level that we come to expect. It's like art and a professional can notice mistakes that we wouldn't have notice or see how what we might see as just paint splatter is actually utilizing some sort of professionalism that can be re-created. Had Toriyama had more time, maybe he could've pulled off better work. Now to be honest, most of AT's so called "Development" pretty much happened in early Dragon Ball. It was there that he was fleshing out his characters, giving them personalities and letting them change. While I still don't see it on the same level as FMA, it certainly I do believe it was better done there including the story telling than it was later on DBZ which just came off as rushed mindless entertainment. AT probably at least had an idea of what he wanted at the start and went with that and created his characters and changed them. Unfortunately for him he had this massive second part of the story we know as DBZ and it went from telling a story to just rushing the pages I think. This is I think another reason why I think a lot of people who have read the early DB chapters, enjoy it a bit more than what's going on later in Z. It might be because of the adventure and comedy but if I had to make a guess it's as I mentioned above. That's where AT's story telling and development are arguably at their prime. Bringing up Bleach again, this is why people like the Soul Society Arc I believe, its where Kubo's writing is at his prime. JUST MY OPINION, but I think he was burnt out by the end. The problem is, it was DBZ and not DB that really made money, and so he kept going. I still like a lot of the later manga (especially Android/Cell saga), but that's just me. I said this in another thread, but I think Vegeta's comment about there being a bargain sale on SSJ might have been Toriyama poking fun at (maybe even looking back on) his own work, in the Buu saga. Just something to ponder: I remember an interview I read years ago, maybe someone can dig it up, where he was talking about Dr. Slump and said he was burnt out on it by the end. Look at how much longer Dragon Ball (the manga) ran for than Dr. Slump! I think it's to his credit that he kept it as fresh for as long as he did. Edited by Ben, May 17 2014, 04:06 AM.



POOHEAD189	May 17 2014, 04:08 AM Post #95
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Father Brofist May 17 2014, 03:58 AM All I mean to say is that, there's a standard on a professional level that we come to expect. It's like art and a professional can notice mistakes that we wouldn't have notice or see how what we might see as just paint splatter is actually utilizing some sort of professionalism that can be re-created. Had Toriyama had more time, maybe he could've pulled off better work. Now to be honest, most of AT's so called "Development" pretty much happened in early Dragon Ball. It was there that he was fleshing out his characters, giving them personalities and letting them change. While I still don't see it on the same level as FMA, I do believe it was better done there including the story telling than it was later on DBZ which just came off as rushed mindless entertainment. AT probably at least had an idea of what he wanted at the start and went with that and created his characters and changed them. Unfortunately for him he had this massive second part of the story we know as DBZ and it went from telling a story to just rushing the pages I think. This is I think another reason why I think a lot of people who have read the early DB chapters, enjoy it a bit more than what's going on later in Z. It might be because of the adventure and comedy but if I had to make a guess it's as I mentioned above. That's where AT's story telling and development are arguably at their prime. Bringing up Bleach again, this is why people like the Soul Society Arc I believe, its where Kubo's writing is at his prime. We can agree to disagree on some areas, but I do agree with the mention of Bleach. I enjoyed DB/Z from start to finish but I stopped paying attention to Bleach after the spanish part (lol). Soul Society Arc was AWESOME.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


Jet	May 17 2014, 04:11 AM Post #96
Ruka is a dude Posts: 443 Group: Member Member #9,382 Joined: April 16, 2013 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime LOGH, Berserk, Monster, Steins;Gate, Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, GITS, Studio Ghibli's stuff. What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer (message sent from 2005) Favourite Manga Berserk, Dragon Ball, Vagabond	I used to be enamoured of Dragon Ball Z, and I still am to an extent. It's certainly petered out over the years, particularity recently. But I don't attribute that to a lack of quality, I just think I've seen so much of it that it doesn't have the same impact. I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly just how many times I've seen the series. It'd certainly be a dozen times, at least. It was my equivalent of "comfort food" through some pretty hard times, too. Perhaps that makes it impossible to judge it objectively, but having watched a sizeable amount of series now I still genuinely think it stacks up relatively well against most anime out there. Few series have attained the same level of badassery, or provided as many epic moments as Dragon Ball Z. Spoiler: click to toggle " Meaningless huh?! WHAT DO YOU KNOW OF MEANINGLESS?! Spend most of your life ruled by another. Watch your race dwindle to a handful! And then, tell me what has more meaning than your own strength!? I have in me the blood of a Saiyan prince. He is nothing but a joke! And yet I had to watch him surpass me in strength. My destiny, thrown to the wayside! He's....he's even saved my life as if I were a helpless child. He has stolen my honor. And his debts, must be paid! " "Gohan, let it go...There are those who words alone will not reach...Cell is such a being. Please...drop your restraints. Protect the life I loved...you have the strength, my scanners sensed it...just let it go..." It's true that at times the script is sub-par, particularly in regard to some of the dialogue, and I wasn't too fond of most of the Buu saga. Gotenks, Buu, and Super Saiyan 3 immediately come to mind as some of the reasons why. There's also inevitably going to be a fair amount of repetitious action/dialogue in the series when something is so long and is dominated mostly by one thing...fighting. I think character development is actually underrated when you look at Vegeta, Piccolo, and Future Trunks. However, I always wanted the series to put more of a spotlight on Goku's flaws as a character, and maybe see him gradually become a better parent or something. Let's not forget the majority of the series we compare it to don't have 291 episodes either. I'm not sure Steins;Gate, Death Note etc would be nearly as good if they had to fill up as much time. Naruto, Bleach, One Piece etc also suffer from this.



EMIYA	May 17 2014, 04:13 AM Post #97
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Hopefully I'm not getting too off topic here but: IMO the best parts of Bleach, the Soul Society Arc for me are better than the best parts of Dragon Ball. I loved the Soul Society Arc, its build up, its characters, its development, its conclusion. To this day I keep wondering if someone else wrote it and Kubo just drew it. It shocks me that Kubo actually wrote that. However I think the worst part of Bleach, The Fullbring Arc is absolutely miserable to what I feel is the worst part of Dragon Ball which I believe is the Boo Arc. I can watch the Boo Arc and treat as popcorn entertainment. It's stupid, it's got problems but it keeps me entertained. I hate the Fullbring Arc, it is by far the worse thing in Bleach and there are fillers in the anime that I would rather watch. It had some ups and downs but Toriyama at least kept his work entertaining. But with Bleach you've got some very entertaining things but then you've got the other spectrum that to me nearly destroys the entire series.



POOHEAD189	May 17 2014, 05:04 AM Post #98
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Buu saga is my least favorite as well, but yes it's far better than what I know of Fullbring.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


ss4Goku	May 17 2014, 05:32 AM Post #99
Metal Head \M/ Posts: 5,250 Group: Member Member #277 Joined: March 18, 2005 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ, Naruto, Bleach, Hunter x Hunter, Sword Art Online. What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Naruto Shippuden all I read.	Brah I'm 25 and I'm still watching DBZ as a kid I use to pre order all those VHS tapes at Suncoast. Now I get em on Blu Ray nothing will ever beat DBZ in my mind I do love other Anime but still love DBZ.



TheGmGoken	May 17 2014, 06:24 AM Post #100
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Only thing I've learned from this thread is that everyone got an opinion and preferences for anime.



Alex D. Boss	May 17 2014, 12:55 PM Post #101
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	TheGmGoken May 17 2014, 06:24 AM Only thing I've learned from this thread is that everyone got an opinion and preferences for anime. Its not that that I'm bashing DBZ here , absolutely not. If there is one person bashing DBZ , I would kick the shet out of him and never let him watch a anime again lol. We're trying to be objective here as possible. If you still watch Z , no problem , I respect that to the fullest.



TheGmGoken	May 17 2014, 06:54 PM Post #102
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 12:55 PM TheGmGoken May 17 2014, 06:24 AM Only thing I've learned from this thread is that everyone got an opinion and preferences for anime. Its not that that I'm bashing DBZ here , absolutely not. If there is one person bashing DBZ , I would kick the shet out of him and never let him watch a anime again lol. We're trying to be objective here as possible. If you still watch Z , no problem , I respect that to the fullest. Whoa never said or imply that you bashed the series. I'm saying everyone got a preferred for anime as shown in this thread. We gor YUYU fans. BleachDrinkers, Narutards, One Piecers, Team Dai Gurren, and much more. That's the only thing I've seen and learn in this topic.



~~StrawHatCrew~~	May 17 2014, 06:57 PM Post #103
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	TheGmGoken May 17 2014, 06:54 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 12:55 PM TheGmGoken May 17 2014, 06:24 AM Only thing I've learned from this thread is that everyone got an opinion and preferences for anime. Its not that that I'm bashing DBZ here , absolutely not. If there is one person bashing DBZ , I would kick the shet out of him and never let him watch a anime again lol. We're trying to be objective here as possible. If you still watch Z , no problem , I respect that to the fullest. Whoa never said or imply that you bashed the series. I'm saying everyone got a preferred for anime as shown in this thread. We gor YUYU fans. BleachDrinkers, Narutards, One Piecers, Team Dai Gurren, and much more. That's the only thing I've seen and learn in this topic. wow naruto fans all over the world r crying dat was very offensive 2ward them Edited by StrawHatCrew, May 17 2014, 07:02 PM.



+ Ssj3vegito96	May 17 2014, 08:55 PM Post #104
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Nothing will entertain me the same way dbz does. Kind off topic but I always hated the Japanese dub but I'm rewatching the series right now with dragon ball kai in Japanese(it's starting to grow on me but goku and gohan's voice is still annoying IMO) with subs and I'm still enjoying it more than a lot of series. I have a new respect for kai since unlike the original, it shows how fast paced the series is supposed to be. The original was pretty slow sometimes. Edited by Ssj3vegito96, May 17 2014, 08:56 PM.
	IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle Top 7 favorite dbz heroes: 1. Sometimes it goku sometimes it's vegeta 2. ^ 3. Teen gohan 4. Future trunks 5. Piccolo 6. Adult gohan 7. Bardock


TheGmGoken	May 17 2014, 09:48 PM Post #105
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	StrawHatCrew May 17 2014, 06:57 PM TheGmGoken May 17 2014, 06:54 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 12:55 PM TheGmGoken May 17 2014, 06:24 AM Only thing I've learned from this thread is that everyone got an opinion and preferences for anime. Its not that that I'm bashing DBZ here , absolutely not. If there is one person bashing DBZ , I would kick the shet out of him and never let him watch a anime again lol. We're trying to be objective here as possible. If you still watch Z , no problem , I respect that to the fullest. Whoa never said or imply that you bashed the series. I'm saying everyone got a preferred for anime as shown in this thread. We gor YUYU fans. BleachDrinkers, Narutards, One Piecers, Team Dai Gurren, and much more. That's the only thing I've seen and learn in this topic. wow naruto fans all over the world r crying dat was very offensive 2ward them Oh sorry. I just used what people call them. I'm a Narutard. So



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