Did Gohan SSJ2 has a rage boost against Cell&Bojack

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Did Gohan SSJ2 has a rage boost against Cell&Bojack
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RealSociedad	May 15 2014, 09:24 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	We know he was SSJ2, but did he also had a rage boost duo to his great anger? He could not transform into SSJ2 without beeing angry, so I was thinking he received when transformed angry the SSJ2 power+rage boost, what do you think?



+ Ryebrid	May 15 2014, 10:12 AM Post #2
Posts: 3,135 Group: Elite Member Member #4,909 Joined: May 21, 2010 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Code Geass, Soul Eater, Sword Art Online What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	In all honesty i don't think so. I believe his anger is merely a gateway to tap into his latent power. The only true example of a rage boost that i can think of is in the new movie Battle of Gods: Spoiler: click to toggle In which Vegeta receives an incredible boost in power, surpassing even Goku and Gohan briefly, after Bills smacks Bulma to the ground. Edited by Ryebrid, May 15 2014, 10:14 AM.



+ Clearin	May 15 2014, 12:02 PM Post #3
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I believe he did, since there is an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting it. The entire point Goku let Gohan fight Cell was due to his rage boosts: Gohan: “I-I’m gradually starting to understand…What father means when he says I’m the only one who can defeat Cell…It seems that since long ago, whenever my anger flares up, I subconsciously begin fighting madly with outrageous power…So…father must be calculating on that…” Goku: “That’s it…That’s fine, Cell! Get Gohan angry…! If you do, you’ll experience true fear for the first time…” Goku: “…Wait for Gohan to get angry…! He’ll…probably…unleash his true power through anger, and suddenly display ferocious strength [ ] …To defeat Cell…The only thing we can do is place our hopes in this power of Gohan’s…” The entire buildup was about Gohan's rage boosts, not merely a new Super Saiyan form (which had been hyped up from earlier in the saga with Goku and Vegeta trying to surpass Super Saiyan). Then in the Buu saga we get: Vegeta: “Unfortunately, it seems he got carried away in peace and didn’t do any significant training. Our powers are higher than his now…Though I suppose there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy… ” Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone… Gohan: “I-I am angry…! I’m angry, but…[it’s not] like it was ba-back then…” Gohan: “…Is that so?...He really does have tremendous ki, but…It doesn’t seem like so much so that there’s nothing I can do…[ ] …If I can only put out all of my true power…” Multiple quotes talking about getting angry to gain more power. Goku and Gohan's quotes even directly refer to the Cell battle, and not just his rage boosts in general. And we know it doesn't mean getting angry to turn Super Saiyan 2 because he can do it by will at this point, and even if he couldn't, Goku's line of "You won't lose to anyone" and Vegeta's "there’s no telling what would happen if he snapped and went into a frenzy…" make no sense because a regular SSj2 Gohan would still be weaker than both of the adults. This only applies to the Cell fight. I have no idea about Bojack.



sekzee	May 15 2014, 05:46 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,336 Group: Member Member #11,101 Joined: March 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Firefaux Favourite Manga Nein	I agree with Clearin wholeheartedly.



+ Yusuke	May 15 2014, 05:58 PM Post #5
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Adding on to what Clearin said, the Daiz clearly states that Buu Saga Gohan wasn't able to get as strong as his CG self was due to his lack of anger. That gives me a chain of... SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Enraged Kid Gohan > SSJ2 Pre-Majin Vegeta > Hypothetical SSJ2 Non-Enraged Kid Gohan > SSJ2 Teen Gohan
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* Ketchup Revenge	May 15 2014, 09:03 PM Post #6
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	The Daiz suggests that SSj2 Gohan actually wasn't weaker during the TB, but the only reason he seemed to be was because he didn't have rage. This is a strong suggestion of a rage boost.
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+ Yusuke	May 15 2014, 09:12 PM Post #7
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	^ I would say he's a bit weaker than his CG self seeing as Vegeta states he was stronger as a kid. Not by a big amount though.
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* Ketchup Revenge	May 15 2014, 11:50 PM Post #8
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Yusuke Urameshi May 15 2014, 09:12 PM ^ I would say he's a bit weaker than his CG self seeing as Vegeta states he was stronger as a kid. Not by a big amount though. I'm thinking more along the possibility that he was over-all less sharp mentally as a (true) teen than he was as a kid against Cell, but not actually over-all physically weaker. It seems likely that if the two faced off (being at possible equal levels), Cell Era Gohan would win because of the fact that he'd spent almost a year training with Goku... while older Gohan spent a month training with Goten, of whom due to his age and inexperience, can hardly present a challenge tactically to Gohan.
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+ Ryebrid	May 17 2014, 06:12 AM Post #9
Posts: 3,135 Group: Elite Member Member #4,909 Joined: May 21, 2010 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Code Geass, Soul Eater, Sword Art Online What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I think you're mistaken, the entire build up wasn't about having 'rage boosts', it was always about the power Gohan had welling inside of him. Rage was merely recognised as the catalyst or gateway to tap into his potential. Piccolo first realised this during the fight with Radditz, when he embarked to train Gohan in Preparation for the Saiyans arrival to Earth. Thrown (literally) into an impossible situation his anger and inability to be able to do anything would consume him releasing [some of] his latent power. Guru and Vegeta note his tremendous hidden power Chapter: 271 (DBZ 77), P7.4 Context: the Great Elder has his hand on Gohan’s head, sensing his hidden power. Great Elder: “This is incredible… You have tremendous latent power… You are not an Earthling, are you…?” Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5 Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…The squirt in particular hides so much inner strength that he doesn’t even know it himself…” And to rebuttal your statement about Vegeta in the Boo Saga. Chapter: 297 (DBZ 103), P11.2 Context: after Gohan snaps and beats up second form Freeza Vegeta: “Un…unbelievable…That brat…So he can draw out this much power when he goes into a frenzy and loses his reason…?! Don’t tell me that he’s the one closest to Super Saiyan…” Goku: “…Wait for Gohan to get angry…!He’ll…probably…unleash his true power through anger, and suddenly display ferocious strength [ ] …To defeat Cell…The only thing we can do is place our hopes in this power of Gohan’s…" Ironically your own statement works against you. Goku was hingent on the fact that Gohan could release his true inner strength through his rage. Not that his rage would take him to a new level of power. Quote: Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone… You believe that Gohan can't achieve his former level of strength due to a lack of rage and not because he lost power, but then using this statement as evidence contradicts what you're trying to prove as it would mean Gohan SSJ2 Enraged > SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan Enraged > SSJ2 Gohan. Quote: Gohan: “I-I am angry…! I’m angry, but…[it’s not] like it was ba-back then…” Gohan's statement about struggling with his anger isn't reflective of the power he can't muster up, but reflective of the anger that once consumed him as a child, doesn't consume him as a teenager. Edited by Ryebrid, May 17 2014, 06:13 AM.



+ Clearin	May 17 2014, 12:22 PM Post #10
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	I'm sorry but I'm having major trouble trying to understand what you're trying to say. I'll reply to as much as I can. Quote: I think you're mistaken, the entire build up wasn't about having 'rage boosts', it was always about the power Gohan had welling inside of him. Rage was merely recognised as the catalyst or gateway to tap into his potential. You just said it, rage was the catalyst to his potential. You just said the build up wasn't about having rage boosts, but then you just said rage was the gateway to tap into the power that Goku was referring to. I don't see what Piccolo, Great Elder and Vegeta's lines prove either. I didn't say Gohan didn't have a lot of latent power, just that he needed rage to activate it, which you yourself agreed with. I never claimed Gohan's rage brought power out of nowhere, I just basically used "Angry Gohan = Stronger Gohan", I don't care where that power comes from. Quote: And to rebuttal your statement about Vegeta in the Boo Saga. Chapter: 297 (DBZ 103), P11.2 Context: after Gohan snaps and beats up second form Freeza Vegeta: “Un…unbelievable…That brat…So he can draw out this much power when he goes into a frenzy and loses his reason…?! Don’t tell me that he’s the one closest to Super Saiyan…” Goku: “…Wait for Gohan to get angry…!He’ll…probably…unleash his true power through anger, and suddenly display ferocious strength [ ] …To defeat Cell…The only thing we can do is place our hopes in this power of Gohan’s…" Ironically your own statement works against you. Goku was hingent on the fact that Gohan could release his true inner strength through his rage. Not that his rage would take him to a new level of power. Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone… How do they work against me? They just prove what I said, an angry Gohan = Stronger Gohan, hence "rage boost". I really have no idea what point you're trying to make. Quote: You believe that Gohan can't achieve his former level of strength due to a lack of rage and not because he lost power, but then using this statement as evidence contradicts what you're trying to prove as it would mean SSJ2 Gohan Enraged > SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan Enraged > SSJ2 Gohan. I never said Gohan didn't lose power over the 7 years if that's what you're trying to imply. Anyway where did that power chain come from? All it would mean to me is Gohan SSj2 enraged > SSj2 Goku = SSj2 Vegeta > SSj2 Gohan. Quote: Gohan's statement about struggling with his anger isn't reflective of the power he can't muster up, but reflective of the anger that once consumed him as a child, doesn't consume him as a teenager. Just seems to me like he's saying he can't get as angry as he was back then [cell games] and thus can't get the extra power from rage boosts.



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