Beliefs that won't change/consistently debated.

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Beliefs that won't change/consistently debated.
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Mihawk	May 17 2014, 05:26 PM Post #76
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Super Saiyan May 17 2014, 05:14 PM Itachi May 17 2014, 04:55 PM Ah right the suppressing of her ki argument. Her nonexistent ki. We forgot to add that in each of our posts Naked Snake in the tournament. : Whatever the gap is it must be smaller than SSJ Vegeta and #18 since she was more than happy to tank his attacks to show superiority (as with Mr Satan later on) but with the kids she was forced to dodge. Technically she does have some sort of ki, because AT stated that she can get stronger. So you can only get stronger if your ki increases? The Androids are built differently, they don't use Ki. Like Brofist pointed out out the androids were never shown powering up or powering down in the series.



+ Kaboom	May 17 2014, 05:27 PM Post #77
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:22 PM But you shouldn't follow BoG , instead just follow the manga. Unless I'm mistaken, there's no line in the manga where No.18 says anything like, "I'm using my full power but this weird Mighty Mask guy is still hanging in there." As for the side-discussion about the Androids' power, I'll just point out that while it seems their power is biological in nature and they can increase it by training and stuff, it still behaves like Android energy, such as not being sensed and being invisible (until it's used for an attack, anyway). There doesn't have to necessarily be some visual indication of them "powering up" like we see with characters using 100% natural ki. Edited by Kaboom, May 17 2014, 05:31 PM.



+ Yusuke	May 17 2014, 05:28 PM Post #78
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	The one thing we can all agree on here is that we'll never agree on this issue. Edited by Yusuke, May 17 2014, 05:28 PM.
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Alex D. Boss	May 17 2014, 05:31 PM Post #79
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Kaboom May 17 2014, 05:27 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:22 PM But you shouldn't follow BoG , instead just follow the manga. Unless I'm mistaken, there's no line in the manga where No.18 says anything like, "I'm using my full power but this weird Mighty Mask guy is still hanging in there." She doesn't need to say that , because it already shows on the fight that 18 doesn't have a clear advantage on Mighty mask. She doesn't suppress , neither has the control during the fight.



+ Emmeth	May 17 2014, 05:34 PM Post #80
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:31 PM She doesn't need to say that , because it already shows on the fight that 18 doesn't have a clear advantage on Mighty mask. She doesn't suppress , neither has the control during the fight. I swear you're thinking of the anime fight right now.
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Alex D. Boss	May 17 2014, 05:36 PM Post #81
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Emmeth May 17 2014, 05:34 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:31 PM She doesn't need to say that , because it already shows on the fight that 18 doesn't have a clear advantage on Mighty mask. She doesn't suppress , neither has the control during the fight. I swear you're thinking of the anime fight right now. I never used anime in a debate.



+ Emmeth	May 17 2014, 05:37 PM Post #82
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:36 PM I never used anime in a debate. Then you're wrong. There's not a single indication she's not in control up until they transform. Quite the opposite, actually.
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Mihawk	May 17 2014, 05:38 PM Post #83
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Yusuke Urameshi May 17 2014, 05:28 PM The one thing we can all agree on here is that we'll never agree on this issue. The problem with this is that I've always seen Freeza > Base Saiyans the same as creationism. I'm fine with letting people believe it, doesn't mean I'll respect it.



Alex D. Boss	May 17 2014, 05:44 PM Post #84
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Emmeth May 17 2014, 05:37 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:36 PM I never used anime in a debate. Then you're wrong. There's not a single indication she's not in control up until they transform. Quite the opposite, actually. The only statement is that she is on par with the kids. The fight shows that she has a little bit more advantage, thats all.



+ Emmeth	May 17 2014, 05:46 PM Post #85
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:44 PM The only statement is that she is on par with the kids. The fight shows that she has a little bit more advantage, thats all. I've read the fight three times over the last 15 minutes. I can't come to the same conclusion.
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Alex D. Boss	May 17 2014, 05:47 PM Post #86
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Emmeth May 17 2014, 05:46 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:44 PM The only statement is that she is on par with the kids. The fight shows that she has a little bit more advantage, thats all. I've read the fight three times over the last 15 minutes. I can't come to the same conclusion. You're forgetting that the kids are in the same costume right.



+ Yusuke	May 17 2014, 05:49 PM Post #87
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Itachi May 17 2014, 05:38 PM Yusuke Urameshi May 17 2014, 05:28 PM The one thing we can all agree on here is that we'll never agree on this issue. The problem with this is that I've always seen Freeza > Base Saiyans the same as creationism. I'm fine with letting people believe it, doesn't mean I'll respect it. Then again, Base Saiyans VS Frieza does remind me a lot of Evolution VS Creationism. The debate will never end.
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+ Emmeth	May 17 2014, 05:50 PM Post #88
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:47 PM Emmeth May 17 2014, 05:46 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:44 PM The only statement is that she is on par with the kids. The fight shows that she has a little bit more advantage, thats all. I've read the fight three times over the last 15 minutes. I can't come to the same conclusion. You're forgetting that the kids are in the same costume right. Never took the restrictions that seriously.
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* Yu Narukami	May 17 2014, 05:56 PM Post #89
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Emmeth May 17 2014, 05:50 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:47 PM Emmeth May 17 2014, 05:46 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:44 PM The only statement is that she is on par with the kids. The fight shows that she has a little bit more advantage, thats all. I've read the fight three times over the last 15 minutes. I can't come to the same conclusion. You're forgetting that the kids are in the same costume right. Never took the restrictions that seriously. Only Trunks was fighting with just his hands. Hard to not be in control when you're fighting a kid who's got Goten as dead weight and can't use his legs.



Alex D. Boss	May 17 2014, 05:56 PM Post #90
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Emmeth May 17 2014, 05:50 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:47 PM Emmeth May 17 2014, 05:46 PM Alex KloonBoss May 17 2014, 05:44 PM The only statement is that she is on par with the kids. The fight shows that she has a little bit more advantage, thats all. I've read the fight three times over the last 15 minutes. I can't come to the same conclusion. You're forgetting that the kids are in the same costume right. Never took the restrictions that seriously. Trunks only uses his hands , Goten uses his legs with difficult , youre not taking that seriously? Wait a minute. If you put Kaioshin above Frieza , how do you put the Base Saiyans below Frieza? Edited by Alex D. Boss, May 17 2014, 05:57 PM.



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