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| EMIYA | May 19 2014, 02:42 AM Post #91 |
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I'm a social-psychologist major so when it comes to things involving societies and psychological aspects I'm pretty darn good on that. I've also taken multiple classes on discrimination and oppression, spoken to people who have been oppressed. If there's one thing that I can say I am good at, is the fact that I have a really good understanding on the social structures of how people work and the mentality revolving around it. I can't recall if you studied the same thing as well OFG or something similar? Not to get too off topic but what did you major in again? But you don't even need college experience really. All it takes is to just think for a minute and come to realize that, wow some of the things I believe don't make any sense. It's the same thing with the Witch Trials. At one point people realized that this wasn't working and made no sense and they moved on. They moved away from religion and Satanic points because it ultimately had no evidence to it. I had a religious debate, a more fun one I might add because the person I was debating was also agnostic but was playing devil's advocate for the fun of it. I brought up the point that the significance of God and what we define was omnipotence and perfection cannot exist in our world because it creates a literal contradiction. God by his sheer nature should be perfect in all ways, he should be omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Take the idea of infinity. The definition of that means it is endless. God by his nature should be able to find the end of infinity. However this is a contradiction because infinity is endless. If he found an end, it wouldn't be endless. This alone no longer puts God at a level of perfection or omnipotence because there is something he can't do. God is only as powerful as the limitations of the physical and mental universe allows. It's a lot better to make the claim that as powerful, all knowing and all seeing as God might be, he is still an imperfect being capable of mistakes as any other being is. What's worse is the fact that religion and God are usurping the points of spirituality which is actually a very god social thing to have. This has been proven to be quite beneficial for people. |
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May 19 2014, 03:17 AM Post #92 |
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English, creative writing, and women's gender studies.  Started out as a Biology major, though.Good post! New religions are springing up everywhere, branching off of Christianity or taking an entirely new path, and people buy into these religions because they A) grew up in said religion or B) want explanations for things that don't really need explaining. It's an endless cycle, really. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 19 2014, 03:58 AM Post #93 |
 
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About the infinity thing, God is beyond what humans can understand. He can defy logic if he wants. You can't always apply logic to something defies it |
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May 19 2014, 04:00 AM Post #94 |
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Exactly. And this is what religious debate always boils down to. Science can debunk basically any "logic" religion attempts to throw at it, which forces religious people to pull out the "magic" card. You can't debate science with magic. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 19 2014, 04:58 AM Post #95 |
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@bro fist evidence is Jesus appearing on earth and those events being recorded. Whether you want to believe is up to you Btw, I'll admit, I'm not an expert on my religion but I would like it if you guys stopped bashing Christianity please. Thanks |
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May 19 2014, 05:02 AM Post #96 |
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We're not bashing. If anything, I think we're attempting to educate and open some peoples' eyes. That's what debate is all about, isn't it? If you can't handle it, don't post in deep discussion - simple as that. The bible is evidence of nothing. There are little to no facts present in the bible. Religion is based upon faith, not fact. Anyone should know that. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 19 2014, 05:11 AM Post #97 |
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You insulted god multiple times. Everytime I see religion brought up in a thread here, it's frowned upon a lot and I'm starting to feel like people don't respect my opinion The bible has recorded events that I believe happened and there's no proof they didn't happen. Jesus existed. We know that's for sure. I believe in the bible and there's no proof the stuff he did didn't happen. There's nothing wrong with believing in it Edited by Ssj3vegito96, May 19 2014, 05:12 AM.
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| EMIYA | May 19 2014, 05:19 AM Post #98 |
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Religion is something that we have no evidence for. The ideas of faith or the supernatural don't have the evidence that can support them. There's no problem in thinking that Jesus was a real person and that there were events that transpired around him. This doesn't interfere with historical points or logic. It's when you get into the supernatural that you have issues, because you have no way to support your claim. This is one the fundamental logics of history. History is something that we can't go back to and see if its true or not. We may be given some supporting evidence to it but its impossible to go back at the time prove it directly. For example we can't prove that Washington's boat crossed the Delaware. We might have supporting time and words but we can't go to the wood of that boat, mark it to the point of somewhere that proves that it crossed the Delaware. Not to my knowledge at least. But we can accept it for two reasons. The first is the fact that we at least have some evidence for it, even if by word. The second and the one religion fails to attain is that even if this accusation was false, it at least makes sense. Logic tells us that it is possible that a person named Washington existed. Logic tells us that boats exists. Logic tells us that there was a Delaware River. Logic tells us that this person could be on a boat which could be on this river which was recorded by other people. This is the major problem with religion of any kind, not just Christianity. It relies on something that both can't be supported and can't be logical. God is a thing that doesn't fit with our idea of logic and there is not supporting evidence to prove such an existence. You may think of it also like this and religion is essentially the split between rationality and irrationality. Rationality at its finest form can be thought of as "coincidence" and Irrationality is the "miracle" two completely opposite points that can't mingle one another. That was my point again on the infinity quote. Infinity is the rationality and logical aspect that exists in our universe. God is the irrationality a section split away from our reality because it interferes with our significant reality. Perhaps the closest thing to "God" that we have in terms of logic are Black Holes. They're destructive, all powerful but mostly they're irrational. They level space and time itself, light can't escape and we have only the most basic idea of how they work. They're the irrational objects in a rational universe and when these things come they just blow our minds away because they completely interfere with our ideology of how the universe works. |
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May 19 2014, 05:19 AM Post #99 |
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When?
I respect most opinions, but that doesn't mean that all opinions are correct.
Most biblical stories can be scientifically (and oftentimes historically) disproved. The bible isn't a record of history - it is a religious instruction manual.
Show me evidence of this. He may have existed as a historical figure (which I don't believe is an absolute fact), but he was probably nothing more than a swindling magician or a deluded man.
Sure, there's nothing wrong with just believing it. But religion has done far more harm to society and our culture than good. I believe that religion - particularly Christianity - is a form of brainwash, and I want to fight to stop that. It's a justified cause in my opinion. In America, we live in a culture where Christianity is shoved down childrens throats. Children are taught these bible stories as if they are fact, and they are practically forced to accept Jesus or risk being ostracized by their families. Even I am afraid of coming out as an atheist for fear of what my family might do to me. That is something worth fighting against. I don't want any child or young adult to feel the way I've felt due to religion, which is why I debate against it so adamantly. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 19 2014, 05:23 AM Post #100 |
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You need to understand that our logic may not be the same as gods logic. That's why there's things we can't comprehend. God is not human like we are @OFG you said god was stupid. Christianity doesn't harm society. It's the people that don't know what they're taking about that harm. For example, the bible says not to force Christianity on someone. But then there's people that go and force Christianity on people. So it's not the religion it's the people Edited by Ssj3vegito96, May 19 2014, 05:26 AM.
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| Tonneh | May 19 2014, 05:25 AM Post #101 |
 
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This whole debate is faith vs proof - I doubt it's ever going to end in anything other than debate/arguments mate as well as the same points being brought up numerous times.
Edited by Tonneh, May 19 2014, 05:26 AM.
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| EMIYA | May 19 2014, 05:30 AM Post #102 |
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I was bullied greatly because of my religious affiliation...or lack thereof and was incredibly irked at how religion was shoved down by my throat as well. I am Agnostic Atheist because I accept the logic over the illogical that can't be proven. At the same time, I understand that there are things that logic and science cannot prove. Physics 101 tells us that matter can neither be created nor destroyed. There is much evidence to support the Big Bang Theory but absolutely none to support how that material first came into existence. Does this prove God? Not at all but it does have to leave a mark or an open space that logic and science can't fill by itself. It is that illogical point in reality, a hole in the fabric of reality as one might say. Once more this is one of those dividing lines between rationality and irrationality. We can prove many things on the rational side but the irrational side is beyond our scope. |
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May 19 2014, 05:31 AM Post #103 |
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You're missing my point. Religion is an indoctrination. It's become a cultural norm, and it's far more than simply forcing religion on someone. If you grow up in a religious household, you're s*** out of luck. That's what I mean. There isn't a single practicing Christian that I know of who doesn't force the religion upon their family. "Christianity doesn't harm society." Yeah, sure. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 19 2014, 05:35 AM Post #104 |
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The religion itself doesn't have bad intentions. People are doing the harm. Look at the Ten Commandments. How can following the Ten Commandments harm society? I need to go to bed lol I might post later Edited by Ssj3vegito96, May 19 2014, 05:36 AM.
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| EMIYA | May 19 2014, 05:42 AM Post #105 |
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The problem people have with religion is the fact that it forces itself down on others. Mythology is fun to learn about because that's what it is. It's an idea to learn about beliefs and aspects on a viewer and not as a contestant. Mythology wouldn't be anywhere as interesting or fun if someone kept telling me Zeus is real and he's going to bust m sorry *** if I don't accept that Heracles killed the Nemean Lion. This it he issue I and a lot of people have. We don't really care what you believe and frankly even if we don't believe it, we could probably find it at least interesting to learn about. This is the reason I love things like Greek Mythology. There's no way I'm going to believe Zeus duked it out with a god killing monster called Typhon but I'll be damned (pun not intended) if I say I wouldn't be interested. We really just want religion to back off and act more naturally. We don't want people like Fred Phelps going around sprouting out his messed up ideology because not only is that heavily annoying and abrasive, it honestly takes out all the fun and interest religion could have. |
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