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Would heaven and hell being real be a good thing?
Tweet Topic Started: May 13 2014, 11:18 PM (5,948 Views)
+ Pointer	May 18 2014, 01:15 PM Post #76
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	The Assassin May 17 2014, 09:42 PM Cherry May 17 2014, 02:37 PM Steve May 17 2014, 02:25 PM God didn't give humans free will, Satan did. God wanted us to be slaves worshipping him forever, not even knowing right and wrong and Satan had Eve eat from the tree of knowledge, thus gaining knowledge of right and wrong. And then God punished humans, even though we literally did not know that eating from the tree was a "bad" thing. God is stupid, it's like a child given all that power. And clearly not all powerful if it didn't want us to have true free will or anything like that it could just simply have erased that from having ever happened, as far as Godly powers go it's pretty weak really. It's only power is creation, it can create whatever it wants but not do whatever it wants. It can't see the future or do anything perfect, if it could everything would be perfect by it's design, no Satan would have messed stuff up, no having to flood the world, no mistakes ever. If God is real then my best guess is that the other Gods just kicked it out of their domain and left it to mess around because it's the runt of the litter. God wanted us to be programmable and it failed. Just look at that statement, God FAILED. The idea that God would punish us, for its mistakes leaves me with no respect for it. Other than me being alive right now but for only 60-80 years or so and that sucks. Every bad thing in this universe is God's fault if it really is the creator so it should be the only thing punished in hell, it should have just made us and everything else properly but I guess it couldn't since it isn't all powerful. i suggest you to re read the genesis . Then you might realise where your points needs some correction. God forbade adam and eve to eat from that tree. And also satan has nothing to do with free will . All it did was manipulating a curious woman A mobster complex which consists of the logic of "do what I want, or suffer forever" is hardly classifiable as "free will". Something also worth mentioning is that if you honestly think about it, on one hand, you have one guy who tells you that he's all powerful and all-knowing, and refuses to let you question it. On the other hand, you have a tempter who encourages you to find out for yourself. Who honestly sounds like the enemy here? What's the point of giving someone free will if you never intended to allow them to do what they wanted in the first place? having free will and allowing to do whatever they want is two different thing I have free will , meanwhile I can't do whatever I want



EMIYA	May 18 2014, 01:30 PM Post #77
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Yeah here's the difference between that, when we as humans are punished for our free will its because we've broken rules. The breaking of the rules was not intended though by the authority in question. God gave the Adam and Eve the smoking gun fully knowing the outcome that would occur and then once it did he got upset. Which tells me God must be pretty slow on the uptake at this point. Unless you want to admit that God is not omniscient or imperfect, this is counterproductive. God might have given us free will but he didn't give us free choice. Again God is nothing more than a narcissist, stroking his ego and acting like any other god we've ever seen in mythology. He's no different than Zeus. A power hungry being who stands a top the weaker ones like he owns the place and refuses to ever acknowledge that he's wrong or imperfect. Except Zeus is actually interesting to read about as a character. Edited by EMIYA, May 18 2014, 01:33 PM.



+ Pointer	May 18 2014, 03:01 PM Post #78
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	doesn give us free choice ? so if my father tell me to choose from a candy and a chocolate i am forced to choose the candy because my lack of free choice?



+ Steve	May 18 2014, 03:33 PM Post #79
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Cherry May 18 2014, 03:01 PM doesn give us free choice ? so if my father tell me to choose from a candy and a chocolate i am forced to choose the candy because my lack of free choice? You know about the commandments right? And all the other rules God allegedly set, like not being allowed to wear mixed cloth or shave your beard. God limits our choices and if we happen to do what it doesn't like it punishes us even though it gives us the option to go against it in the first place. Like a sign saying wet paint, you have to touch it and find out if it really is wet (well when you're a child and can't just tell from looks anyway) EDIT God made us extremely curious beings and punishes us for it. Everything God done with humans is messed up, it limits our sex life but makes sex really enjoyable so we want lots of it with more than one person. It doesn't want us to express ourselves and say "God dammit!" and it forces us to worship it because as Brofist said it's a complete and utter narcissist. Of course, God doesn't force these things on us exactly as they all happen but if we burn in hell because of any of them that's God being a d*. And the fact that you're not struck down for saying God dammit is another point against God not even being real or caring. If God is real humans are probably just some project it forgot about after it moved on to make better things because at the time it was still learning. Edited by Steve**, May 18 2014, 03:35 PM.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


EMIYA	May 18 2014, 04:57 PM Post #80
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	It's not even God that's in control, its the church itself. The church which was once the top authority of the list used the concept of God to control the masses. You might notice that God hasn't gone around getting involved in anything, strange for a so called omnipotent being and all the "horrible , brimstone and ice and punishments" are told to us not by God but by other people and used to control us via the church. There's a reason atheism and agnosticism is one of the fastest growing belief systems right now. It's because religion which was oppressing people is no longer doing that and people now a days aren't gullible enough. Science and logic has exceeded the boundaries of limitations to the point that it now is the God of our world. And unlike the other "god" this "Science God" is backed up by sheer fact and evidence and it has essentially crushed the religious God because the latter has no way to back itself up. But no, God doesn't give us free choice. He lets us choose what he wants and if we don't agree with that, he ruins us. But then again God doesn't go around bothering to explain any of these things so what should we do? Was Satan about to take over the world in the year 3010 with an army of shrimp and that's why we're not supposed to eat seafood? This is why now a days Religion isn't taken seriously. It never bothers to explain itself or give evidence and people aren't stupid enough to fall for it anymore. It used to oppress us a long time ago but I can guarantee as this goes on, things like Christianity and these other mainstream religions will end up just like the Greeks, Egyptians and Romans...sheer mythology. And heck we'll probably get new religions to replace it. I've heard that meatballs getting popular, God better watch out he's getting some competition.



+ Pointer	May 18 2014, 06:13 PM Post #81
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Steve May 18 2014, 03:33 PM Cherry May 18 2014, 03:01 PM doesn give us free choice ? so if my father tell me to choose from a candy and a chocolate i am forced to choose the candy because my lack of free choice? You know about the commandments right? And all the other rules God allegedly set, like not being allowed to wear mixed cloth or shave your beard. God limits our choices and if we happen to do what it doesn't like it punishes us even though it gives us the option to go against it in the first place. Like a sign saying wet paint, you have to touch it and find out if it really is wet (well when you're a child and can't just tell from looks anyway) EDIT God made us extremely curious beings and punishes us for it. Everything God done with humans is messed up, it limits our sex life but makes sex really enjoyable so we want lots of it with more than one person. It doesn't want us to express ourselves and say "God dammit!" and it forces us to worship it because as Brofist said it's a complete and utter narcissist. Of course, God doesn't force these things on us exactly as they all happen but if we burn in hell because of any of them that's God being a d***. And the fact that you're not struck down for saying God dammit is another point against God not even being real or caring. If God is real humans are probably just some project it forgot about after it moved on to make better things because at the time it was still learning. well as for sex Imagine a world where everybody could have had sex with whoever they want .....I reckon AIDS would be more frequent than Herpes simplex Quote: God doesn't give us free choice. He lets us choose what he wants and if we don't agree with that, he ruins us No He gave us free choice, because we can choose the part what is already "forbidden" but in God's ban list there are a lot of things which is totally a good thing not to choose . Like I have already said above /sex case/



EMIYA	May 18 2014, 06:16 PM Post #82
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	God hasn't explained a single thing...I again ask why eating shrimp is wrong? Maybe God should spent a lot more time explaining things and a lot less time making up insane rules that make no sense.



+ Pointer	May 18 2014, 06:23 PM Post #83
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Father Brofist May 18 2014, 06:16 PM God hasn't explained a single thing...I again ask why eating shrimp is wrong? Maybe God should spent a lot more time explaining things and a lot less time making up insane rules that make no sense. "Shrimp and other shellfish are among the most common food allergens." If you dont believe me check google Moreover There might be some weird restrictions which sooner or later will be revealed why it was restricted... in the 15th century i reckon no one ever imagined that shrimp is an allergen....



+ Steve	May 18 2014, 06:29 PM Post #84
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	By why did God even make them allergens? As well as tasty. It's bad to eat pigs to but they're f*ing delicious, God makes no sense just make shellfish taste like dirt. Quote: Imagine a world where everybody could have had sex with whoever they want .....I reckon AIDS would be more frequent than Herpes simplex Well...they can and AIDS is only a big problem in poor countries. There's nothing wrong with people having lots of sex there's no sensible reason for God to ban people from having it with many partners. God's rules suck, thankfully it clearly doesn't enforce them or the world would be a horrible place. EDIT except in God's eyes. EDIT 2 also I wonder why God never gave orders to animals, they can do whatever they want even eat their own babies. Very suspicious. Edited by Steve**, May 18 2014, 06:32 PM.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


+ Pointer	May 18 2014, 08:01 PM Post #85
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Steve May 18 2014, 06:29 PM By why did God even make them allergens? As well as tasty. It's bad to eat pigs to but they're f*ing delicious, God makes no sense just make shellfish taste like dirt. Quote: Imagine a world where everybody could have had sex with whoever they want .....I reckon AIDS would be more frequent than Herpes simplex Well...they can and AIDS is only a big problem in poor countries. There's nothing wrong with people having lots of sex there's no sensible reason for God to ban people from having it with many partners. God's rules suck, thankfully it clearly doesn't enforce them or the world would be a horrible place. EDIT except in God's eyes. EDIT 2 also I wonder why God never gave orders to animals, they can do whatever they want even eat their own babies. Very suspicious. restriction for animals? A dog fs when its the period....human fs whenever he/she wants.... There must be some restriction....I cant bang whoever i want especially if i live in a monogameous relationship Quote: Well...they can and AIDS is only a big problem in poor countries. poor counties ? In that case the USA , UK and the rest of europe is poor too Quote: By why did God even make them allergens? So you try to prove your point with this nonsense... Okay why do we breathe when we have to breathe out why doo we eat when we ll take a s* ...why do we sleep when we ll have to wake up.......... Edited by Pointer, May 18 2014, 08:08 PM.



EMIYA	May 18 2014, 08:12 PM Post #86
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Nonsense, you're the only one bringing up nonsense. If God is so powerful and all knowing, why did he create allergens? If he doesn't want us to eat something, why did he have it in the first place? Why create shrimp, something that has multiple health benefits to you, tastes absolute delicious. Why do we eat? We eat to replenish and store energy in our bodies. We drink because we must hydrate ourselves. We sleep because we much replenish energy much like with eating. We breathe because we must take in oxygen and convert it to Carbon Dioxide. Everything we do, we've explained with science and facts and evidence. This is basic biology 101 for anyone. God hasn't done jack to explain any of this. If he doesn't want to have something, perhaps he shouldn't have it where its easily collectible and appears to us to have some amazing benefits. I bet he's just wants all the shrimp to himself. Egotistical jerk, he killed off the mammoths so I can't eat my mammoth burgers anymore but he ain't taking my shrimp!



+ Pointer	May 18 2014, 08:18 PM Post #87
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Father Brofist May 18 2014, 08:12 PM Nonsense, you're the only one bringing up nonsense. If God is so powerful and all knowing, why did he create allergens? If he doesn't want us to eat something, why did he have it in the first place? Why create shrimp, something that has multiple health benefits to you, tastes absolute delicious. Why do we eat? We eat to replenish and store energy in our bodies. We drink because we must hydrate ourselves. We sleep because we much replenish energy much like with eating. We breathe because we must take in oxygen and convert it to Carbon Dioxide. Everything we do, we've explained with science and facts and evidence. This is basic biology 101 for anyone. God hasn't done jack to explain any of this. If he doesn't want to have something, perhaps he shouldn't have it where its easily collectible and appears to us to have some amazing benefits. I bet he's just wants all the shrimp to himself. Egotistical jerk, he killed off the mammoths so I can't eat my mammoth burgers anymore but he ain't taking my shrimp! Now you want to prove your points in the name of science? Okay I challange you Make a thread, as you are a resident pro debater... Cherry vs Sir Brofist I will trash this "science" is the only and best answer of everything of yours Bring it on ...It starts tomorrow at this time As there were a lot of offtopic.... I am out oh yeah I hope you are skilled enough in terms of science because my early life up until this point has already passed by learning science, physics and quantum mechanics....:D It can be easily destroyed...As you shall see Edited by Pointer, May 18 2014, 08:21 PM.



+ Steve	May 18 2014, 08:26 PM Post #88
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Cherry May 18 2014, 08:01 PM restriction for animals? A dog f*s when its the period....human fs whenever he/she wants.... There must be some restriction....I cant bang whoever i want especially if i live in a monogameous relationship Quote: Well...they can and AIDS is only a big problem in poor countries. poor counties ? In that case the USA , UK and the rest of europe is poor too Quote: By why did God even make them allergens? So you try to prove your point with this nonsense... Okay why do we breathe when we have to breathe out why doo we eat when we ll take a s** ...why do we sleep when we ll have to wake up.......... AIDS is hardly a problem in rich countries... Like not even 1% of the populations have it compared to poorer places like Africa where millions have it, the percentage of the population that do is way higher so yeah it's not much of a problem as we've made and have easy access to contraception. In the UK we even get it for free. You can have sex with whoever you want, like you literally can if God didn't want us too why not make it so that a vagina closes over if a woman attempts to be unfaithful or something? It should be completely within God's power to do so. Why set rules when you can just eliminate the problem entirely, the reality is God just wants to see us do what it deems bad so it can punish us and have us think it's justified. But we've grown up now we know God's methods are utter BS. Yeah why did God make us need to eat etc? If it doesn't want us to kill why make meat delicious and make us need it to survive? Being a vegetarian in biblical Jerusalem would not be an option. It's nonsense that God would make things and make things possible and then decide that they're bad and that nobody is allowed them and yet just leave them in the world...because? Satan is regarded as evil for tempting us and yet it's God that leaves all these temptations laying around.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


EMIYA	May 18 2014, 08:36 PM Post #89
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	There ain't nothing starting. If you can't back up your claims right here then I have no need to bother with you. This isn't some wrestling match where you call people out because I've made my points already. Debating with you is no different than debating with any other religious person. It's a simple point and I'm going to say it only once. Explanation. Its about time your God and religion got off their *es and started explaining things and bringing in the evidence. Because you and once more, everyone else involving religion has never brought up facts to support themselves and any facts you did bring up can easily be supported by logical evidence. Why do you think people are getting less and less religious? Because religion can no longer hold itself in our logical and science based environment. It has been shoved aside by logic that actually provides evidence to it. I'm done playing nice with this kind of topic because its the same thing over and over again and there's a few users here that I can guarantee will have my back during this whole charade. Edited by EMIYA**, May 18 2014, 08:43 PM.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 19 2014, 02:23 AM Post #90
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: I will trash this "science" is the only and best answer of everything of yours How exactly do you plan to "trash" science AKA facts and logic? Science is always the best answer, and religion is mere delusion. Quote: oh yeah I hope you are skilled enough in terms of science because my early life up until this point has already passed by learning science, physics and quantum mechanics....:D Whut o.O lol what exactly are you trying to "disprove" here, anyway? Both Brofist and I have been to college, so your attempt at backing yourself up with credentials is a fail.



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