ObsessiveFanGirl

May 16 2014, 08:29 PM

There have been tons of random ark sightings just like there have been tons of random bigfoots sighted and found. It's the same thing - no real scientific evidence to back up either of them.

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If God were to appear from the heavens and do its usual stuff, of course everyone would believe and at least try not to be a***** anymore. Or rather they would know.
Unless God just only visits people we deem crazy

POOHEAD189

May 16 2014, 05:39 PM

The "assembly of the Lord" didn't mean heaven, but public office in israel. God made that decree to discourage adultery and chaos. Jesus states in the new testament that people are not punished by the sins of their fathers.

Also you have absolutely no idea what the people were like that the flood killed. If you do not read the bible as history, then you HAVE to adhere to the in-universe explanation of "all people were evil." Saying otherswise is to admit that it might be true, and therefore facts might have been screwed up.

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(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

(18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

(19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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You honestly can't think that a fetus in a woman's womb was so "defiant of god" that it deserved to die.

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And what did the animals do wrong to deserve that fate? That reasoning is simply illogical and psychotic

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So we can see that Jesus himself said that he was there to fullfill the old laws, and that they were to be followed until the end of time.

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And to add to the current conversation, there's is absolutely no scientific evidence for a global flood. If you could give references to that claim, then I might be inclined to believe you.
If there were evidence for this, there would be one single consistent layer of sediment from water erosion found in the geologic layers all over the word, and there isn't. The only consistent layer of sediment found all over the world, no matter where you look, is the layer known as the "KT boundary", which is a thin layer of fossilized sediment that defined the end of the age of the dinosaurs.
Of course, the theory for this being that a comet hit the Yucatan peninsula about 65 million years ago.

There is sediment layers from floods, however, these are only found in certain areas that are usually prone to flooding in the first place.

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Briefly, the style and character of the Phanerozoic sedimentary record powerfully refutes the proposition that the present is the key to the past. Nowhere on Earth do we observe contemporary continental sediment deposits with the huge lateral scale that typifies the Paleozoic, Mesozoic, and even much of the Cenozoic portions of the continental sedimentary record. Formations exposed in the Grand Canyon such as the Permian Coconino Sandstone, for example, extend laterally for hundreds to thousands of miles in both directions with amazingly uniform microscopic and macroscopic properties [3, p. 36]. Beyond such impressive lateral continuity at the regional scale, Ager [1] documents many examples of amazing persistence in physical properties of sedimentary units on a global scale.

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Of course, one of the chief mental barriers to acceptance of the idea of a single cataclysm is the belief that radioisotope dating has proved beyond reasonable doubt that the Phanerozoic record spans many hundreds of millions of years. There is a startling inconsistency, however, between radiocarbon and long half-life radioisotope methods. Since the advent of the accelerator mass spectrometer (AMS) approach to measuring 14C/C ratios about twenty years ago, AMS analyses of organic samples from throughout the Phanerozoic record consistently show reproducible amounts of 14C that constrain their ages, instead of to 30 or 100 or 350 million years, to less than 70,000 years.

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What did they do right to deserve to be created? What did any of us do? I'm actually a HUGE animal lover (seriously. I've saved about 17 dogs the past few years from being on the streets in traffic and brought them to their rightful owners) but if God said that it was right to flood the earth then it was right. Even if I wasn't Christian, I wouldn't be arguing against a text trying to find contradictions in a supposedly infallible deity. Like this old proverb. God can do both, just in a way that goes beyond our comprehension. Scientists have theorized that in the future, we can make robots thousands to millions of times more intelligent than us, and it is generally agreed that, if such machines existed, we would be unable to comprehend their actions or why they do things. How can we judge a God who is not millions of times more intelligent than us, but infinitely more intelligent? It's laughable to think we can. If you don't believe in God then fine, that's your right. But to try to judge God's character or actions is unnecessary because nothing will come of it.

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but if God said that it was right to flood the earth then it was right.

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I wouldn't be arguing against a text trying to find contradictions in a supposedly infallible deity.

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Fullfilling the Old laws doesn't mean enforcing them. He made plenty of changes or 'corrections; to the laws such as working on the sabbath. The laws he came to keep steady, like the 10 commandments, were laws he did not correct.

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That is the definition of blind following right there, and I hate to make generalizations, but that's what all Christians do - blindly follow. Let's say for instance that you grew up in a different culture where you worshiped a god named Bob. In your religious text, Bob was described as an all-powerful, all-merciful, omnipotent being; however, he also enjoyed raping innocent women and children, murdering everyone, and doing whatever else he damn well pleased. But all of that is fine and dandy because Bob claims the people deserved it. They were "flawed" and "immoral" and thus deserved to have their rights as human beings stripped away when he raped and murdered them.

It's the same exact thing. You blindly follow a flawed, hypocritical deity because an ancient text says so. "If God says it's fine to flood the earth, I guess it is" is the same as saying "if Bob says it's fine to rape innocent children, I guess it is, and we should follow his example."

If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, shouldn't we seek to emulate him? Isn't that essentially what Christianity is all about? Striving to emulate Jesus AKA God? Is it acceptable to murder innocent people? Is it acceptable to murder people at all? The Christian God is not all-knowing and all-powerful if he created human beings that weren't perfect to begin with. To think otherwise is plain ignorance, I'm sorry. God of the bible is not all-knowing, but he sure as hell is a major douchebag.

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Again, God is obviously not infallible. If he was infallible, there would be no reason for the flood in the first place. That is, unless he created them to run wild for his own amusement and actually got some sick enjoyment out of killing them. I really wouldn't put it past him.

The answer that this always boils down to though is: magic.

God is magic. End of story. Magic.

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John R. Baumgardner's model is based on many things that make no sense. He proposes that the pre-flood ocean floor sank into the mantle, only to come out again as magma. 2 billion km cubed in a very short amount of time. His argument is fundamentally flawed, because that much magma would cause an intense amount of heat and energy that wouldn't only boil away the oceans (and flood water), but most likely the atmosphere as well.
The only way to explain away this problem is simply that God intervened and that a "miracle" happened. The problem with this is that it takes a leap of faith to believe this. His entire argument is based on faith of God existing, when there's no evidence to support this in the first place.

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Of course there's other problems with his argument like the fact that no animal remains or fossils have been found in this "flood layer" he uses, and given the fact that millions of animals died at this point in time, there would be evidence for this.

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This argument you just made completely contradicts itself because "Thou Shall Keep Holy the Sabbath" is the third of the Ten Commandments. In addition to this, technically the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments is Saturday, not Sunday. We know this because The Old Testament (or the Hebrew Bible) is a Jewish text, therefore it would be their Sabbath that this speaks of.

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12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

9 Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10 and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to bring charges against Jesus, they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”

11 He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

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I think that's kind of blind hatred towards theism, or just Christianity, to call god a douchebag after all of the amazing things he did for humanity, punishing NONE who were innocent or did right. God doesn't condone rape, and murder is one human being killing another. If people died from God then he had a reason that was good enough to have them die.

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Wow you really hate theism don't you?

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I already said that God didn't make humans as a final draft from the beginning. Bad things happen in life, it's life. If God solved everything or made everything perfect we would be without free will. Would you like to be a slave in a dream world or yourself in this one? It almost seems like you're stomping your feet and saying it's not fair.

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And can the God who created the universe and science itself bend it to his will? Of course.