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Would heaven and hell being real be a good thing?
Tweet Topic Started: May 13 2014, 11:18 PM (5,951 Views)
* Ketchup Revenge	May 15 2014, 06:25 AM Post #31
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	POOHEAD189 May 14 2014, 06:02 PM The Assassin May 14 2014, 05:58 PM I don't understand how it's punishing you if you already don't believe anyway, or don't accept God. It's pretty much the same thing as living as you did on Earth, just in a different place. Well the Christian belief is that, even if you don't believe/hate God on earth, you're still within his presence and receive happiness through his grace. Hell is devoid of that. I'm not disagreeing with you, but the God in the old testament is pretty harsh to non-believers. There's no evidence that he changed from that, even after the appearance of Jesus.
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


POOHEAD189	May 15 2014, 07:10 AM Post #32
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	The Assassin May 15 2014, 06:25 AM POOHEAD189 May 14 2014, 06:02 PM The Assassin May 14 2014, 05:58 PM I don't understand how it's punishing you if you already don't believe anyway, or don't accept God. It's pretty much the same thing as living as you did on Earth, just in a different place. Well the Christian belief is that, even if you don't believe/hate God on earth, you're still within his presence and receive happiness through his grace. Hell is devoid of that. I'm not disagreeing with you, but the God in the old testament is pretty harsh to non-believers. There's no evidence that he changed from that, even after the appearance of Jesus. Actually I recently read most of the old testament. God wasn't really all that harsh to anyone. In fact he was way too merciful than you'd probably expect. He freed israel from vicious slavery and kept forgiving them even after they would denounce him and disobey him for hundreds of years. Seriously, the chosen people of god were the ones in the wrong ALL of the time, and he still forgave them every. single. time. I felt sorry for God a lil bit, having to deal with that. The one thing people don't wrap their mind around is that God wanting a relationship with us, isn't a romantic thing but its similar in that its an exclusive relationship. If we have a boyfriend and girlfriend standing there, and the girlfriend says she doesn't want him cheating on her, then no one bats an eye. But when God says to worship no other gods or anything before him (after he not only created everyone and everything but also saved our people from slavery and slaughter), we're like "pffft, so arrogant. You're not my deity." An example was when moses went up into Mount Sinai for 40 days to talk to God himself. His people KNEW he was going up there to meet the creator of the universe, and after 40 days he walks down the mountain to see them worshiping a golden calf they made. I wanted to facepalm. Edited by POOHEAD189, May 15 2014, 07:12 AM.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 15 2014, 08:31 AM Post #33
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: Actually I recently read most of the old testament. God wasn't really all that harsh to anyone. In fact he was way too merciful than you'd probably expect. He freed israel from vicious slavery and kept forgiving them even after they would denounce him and disobey him for hundreds of years. Seriously, the chosen people of god were the ones in the wrong ALL of the time, and he still forgave them every. single. time. I felt sorry for God a lil bit, having to deal with that. I wonder if God was being merciful when he wiped out millions of innocent men, women, children, and infants in the worldwide flood simply because they were "sinning" a little too much for his liking.



+ Pointer	May 15 2014, 08:59 AM Post #34
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	ObsessiveFanGirl May 15 2014, 08:31 AM Quote: Actually I recently read most of the old testament. God wasn't really all that harsh to anyone. In fact he was way too merciful than you'd probably expect. He freed israel from vicious slavery and kept forgiving them even after they would denounce him and disobey him for hundreds of years. Seriously, the chosen people of god were the ones in the wrong ALL of the time, and he still forgave them every. single. time. I felt sorry for God a lil bit, having to deal with that. I wonder if God was being merciful when he wiped out millions of innocent men, women, children, and infants in the worldwide flood simply because they were "sinning" a little too much for his liking. i dont want to offend you but have you ever read the Bible? Those men and women were far from being INNOCENT, yes that decision was a little bit too cruel, but God already regreted that decision hence there will never be the same "punishment" again no matter how rotten the world is/will be/ From that point on ...People did make a lot of sins, But God forgave them, no matter how vicious they were Edited by Pointer, May 15 2014, 09:02 AM.



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 15 2014, 09:37 AM Post #35
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Cherry May 15 2014, 08:59 AM ObsessiveFanGirl May 15 2014, 08:31 AM Quote: Actually I recently read most of the old testament. God wasn't really all that harsh to anyone. In fact he was way too merciful than you'd probably expect. He freed israel from vicious slavery and kept forgiving them even after they would denounce him and disobey him for hundreds of years. Seriously, the chosen people of god were the ones in the wrong ALL of the time, and he still forgave them every. single. time. I felt sorry for God a lil bit, having to deal with that. I wonder if God was being merciful when he wiped out millions of innocent men, women, children, and infants in the worldwide flood simply because they were "sinning" a little too much for his liking. i dont want to offend you but have you ever read the Bible? Those men and women were far from being INNOCENT, yes that decision was a little bit too cruel, but God already regreted that decision hence there will never be the same "punishment" again no matter how rotten the world is/will be/ From that point on ...People did make a lot of sins, But God forgave them, no matter how vicious they were So you're saying that all of those infants and children weren't innocent? If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, why did he create all of those people in the first place? Wouldn't he have known that they were going to screw up? Why would he create flawed humans to begin with if he was just going to wipe them all out? God sounds more like a hormonal teenager than all all-powerful being to me. But this isn't that type of thread, so yeahhhh back on topic I guess. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, May 15 2014, 09:47 AM.



* Ketchup Revenge	May 15 2014, 04:40 PM Post #36
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	POOHEAD189 May 15 2014, 07:10 AM The Assassin May 15 2014, 06:25 AM POOHEAD189 May 14 2014, 06:02 PM The Assassin May 14 2014, 05:58 PM I don't understand how it's punishing you if you already don't believe anyway, or don't accept God. It's pretty much the same thing as living as you did on Earth, just in a different place. Well the Christian belief is that, even if you don't believe/hate God on earth, you're still within his presence and receive happiness through his grace. Hell is devoid of that. I'm not disagreeing with you, but the God in the old testament is pretty harsh to non-believers. There's no evidence that he changed from that, even after the appearance of Jesus. Actually I recently read most of the old testament. God wasn't really all that harsh to anyone. In fact he was way too merciful than you'd probably expect. He freed israel from vicious slavery and kept forgiving them even after they would denounce him and disobey him for hundreds of years. Seriously, the chosen people of god were the ones in the wrong ALL of the time, and he still forgave them every. single. time. I felt sorry for God a lil bit, having to deal with that. The one thing people don't wrap their mind around is that God wanting a relationship with us, isn't a romantic thing but its similar in that its an exclusive relationship. If we have a boyfriend and girlfriend standing there, and the girlfriend says she doesn't want him cheating on her, then no one bats an eye. But when God says to worship no other gods or anything before him (after he not only created everyone and everything but also saved our people from slavery and slaughter), we're like "pffft, so arrogant. You're not my deity." An example was when moses went up into Mount Sinai for 40 days to talk to God himself. His people KNEW he was going up there to meet the creator of the universe, and after 40 days he walks down the mountain to see them worshiping a golden calf they made. I wanted to facepalm. Considering that in the story of Job, Job's family is completely expendable in order to prove Job's loyalty to God, I'd have to disagree with you. God doesn't give a s* about people who aren't his followers or don't pay attention to him. Saying that he loves everyone equally is balled-faced lie. God wiped out innocent people in a massive flood, pregnant women and children. That's hardly merciful. And it's not even what God's done, but the regulations in which he accepts people into heaven. For example, illegitamate children and their decedents for ten generations can't get into heaven, it states this in Deuteronomy (23:2). 23:1 states that men with destroyed genitals can't enter the assembly of the Lord. I think we have a differing opinion on what "merciful" means. Edited by Ketchup Revenge**, May 15 2014, 04:41 PM.
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


POOHEAD189	May 16 2014, 05:39 PM Post #37
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	The "assembly of the Lord" didn't mean heaven, but public office in israel. God made that decree to discourage adultery and chaos. Jesus states in the new testament that people are not punished by the sins of their fathers. Also you have absolutely no idea what the people were like that the flood killed. If you do not read the bible as history, then you HAVE to adhere to the in-universe explanation of "all people were evil." Saying otherswise is to admit that it might be true, and therefore facts might have been screwed up. Quote: If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, why did he create all of those people in the first place? Wouldn't he have known that they were going to screw up? Why would he create flawed humans to begin with if he was just going to wipe them all out? He didn't make humans as a final draft in the beginning and he messed up. He made humans so they could evolve and learn.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 16 2014, 06:48 PM Post #38
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Murdering them all isn't making them "evolve and learn." That's what evolution and natural selection did, not god.



POOHEAD189	May 16 2014, 06:53 PM Post #39
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	ObsessiveFanGirl May 16 2014, 06:48 PM Murdering them all isn't making them "evolve and learn." That's what evolution and natural selection did, not god. Humanity itself learned. He made a beautiful earth for us to inhabit, and we all decided to abuse the gift of life and be complete monsters. He gave us another chance through Noah.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 16 2014, 06:56 PM Post #40
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	POOHEAD189 May 16 2014, 06:53 PM ObsessiveFanGirl May 16 2014, 06:48 PM Murdering them all isn't making them "evolve and learn." That's what evolution and natural selection did, not god. Humanity itself learned. He made a beautiful earth for us to inhabit, and we all decided to abuse the gift of life and be complete monsters. He gave us another chance through Noah. Noah, who eventually ended up a drunken loser. The flood can easily been disproven scientifically, so I don't even know why we're discussing this like it actually happened anyway.



POOHEAD189	May 16 2014, 06:58 PM Post #41
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	A drunken loser? And I could say the same in the opposite direction. There's been plenty of evidence both against and for the flood.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 16 2014, 07:00 PM Post #42
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	There is absolutely no scientific evidence for the flood, and any other information you may have heard is a myth. Here's a pretty interesting link: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=125630



POOHEAD189	May 16 2014, 07:17 PM Post #43
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	You can't just say it's all myth, especially if its from scientists with PHD's. I'm certain a flood did happen but as for the details I don't know. (Well, I kinda do but am liable for listening to all sides). Well I personally am not a creationist, and I don't think that Noah had dinosaurs on his Ark, so that reduces his math (imo). That and, while the earth has always had the same amount of water on it, we have no idea what water is beneath earth's surface and some scientists have argued that the flood waters came rushing up from beneath, which is actually similar to how its described in genesis. I could post plenty of links but this is the man who discovered Titanic on the bottom of the ocean, who supports the flood theory. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/12/12/archaeologist-claims-evidence-noahs-biblical-flood/ I don't have all the answers and the legitimacy of Noah's flood is not something I am well versed in, but I have seen plenty of articles by scientists who support it. I will say that the guy in the forum you posted did his homework. I can look up if his estimations are true or not. Edited by POOHEAD189, May 16 2014, 07:21 PM.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	May 16 2014, 07:21 PM Post #44
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Just because a scientist claims to support something doesn't mean that they have the evidence to support such claims. Fresh water mingling with salt water would have killed all marine life. The water rising to such high elevations would have caused serious problems for the animals on board the ark. The ark could have never fit so many animals regardless of whether or not there were dinosaurs involved (and keep in mind that the only reason he included dinosaurs was because many creationists take the bible too literally and actually believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted). It's fine to believe in god, but you literally cannot take the flood story and most of the bible as fact without discarding science and facts completely.



POOHEAD189	May 16 2014, 07:27 PM Post #45
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Which is why I say it is open to interpretation. However, to see evidence of widespread areas that were submerged quickly and then put to dry land without warning, and people finding evidence of a wooden ship at the top of what they believe is Mount Sinai... shrugs Scientists used to think we were going into a global chill in the 70's and now Global warming is all the rage. Science is a learning and evolving process, like humans. Edited by POOHEAD189, May 16 2014, 07:28 PM.
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


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