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| + Pelador | May 13 2014, 11:18 PM Post #1 |
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Lets say heaven and hell are real. Is that better than reincarnation or nothing? Heaven is meant to be the purest bliss beyond anything a mortal mind can comprehend. But according to some, only the purest and most devoted believers will get in. The rest are tortured for eternity in hell or at the very least spend a very long time in purgatory until their souls are cleansed enough to enter heaven. Chances are that most us will be going to hell. That's what some believe anyway. Others say anyone can get in if they are decent enough people. If this is true then I have no problem with the heaven and hell idea. But if most of us are doomed to burn forever in hell no matter how we behave then I'd rather just not exist anymore. I'd rather neither existed than meet that fate. |
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| Daemon Keido | May 13 2014, 11:26 PM Post #2 |
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The question is perhaps better answered when clarified: Is this heaven and hell centrified upon only a single faith (i.e., Christians get heaven but no one else) or is this in a more generic heaven and hell for all? |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 13 2014, 11:29 PM Post #3 |
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I know this isn't really a topic about religion, but this is what drives me insane about religious folk in particular. They seem to believe that their loved ones and themselves are going to heaven, regardless if they or their loved ones directly violate any of the "abominable" sins. The concept of heaven and hell and the standards of going to either locations are subject to the time and the sect of religion that they go through, as well as the person's personal belief. In other words, no one really can tell you what sends us where, if those places do indeed exist. |
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| + Pelador | May 13 2014, 11:30 PM Post #4 |
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I don't know if certain types of Christians are the only ones who believe everyone is doomed to burn in hell no matter what. There might be Jewish groups or Muslim groups who believe the same. Either way, I would imagine that all of them believe only their faith is the correct one. That's sort of true. Like a thousand years ago, eating the wrong food on the Sabbath would get you sent to hell. Now it's abortions and being homosexual. Edited by Pelador, May 13 2014, 11:32 PM.
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 14 2014, 12:00 AM Post #5 |
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Catholics are more particular than other Christians when it comes to qualifications when it comes to going to heaven. Even John Paul II didn't believe that he was going to heaven. |
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| + Pelador | May 14 2014, 12:30 AM Post #6 |
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What about evangelicals? Aren't they the ones who believe every word of the bible? |
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| Tonneh | May 14 2014, 01:09 AM Post #7 |
 
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Assuming that it's real - then yeah it's a good thing, Not sure I'd want to spend the night/street/eternity with a psychopath.. If you could assume that there is 1 afterlife - why not 2? or 3? Where does it end? But then again what would be the criteria to get into heaven anyway? To never sin? I'm not sure about the absolutely everybody is going to burn in hell part - because really why is heaven even there in that circumstance? |
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| + Pelador | May 14 2014, 01:22 AM Post #8 |
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One could argue that it's God's domain and only the purest beings have a right to even get near it. It was never intended as a place to house the souls of dead humans. |
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Morality is entirely subjective, and burning in hell for eternity is not a punishment suitable for any human being. Not even someone like Stalin or Hitler. Heaven and hell are both ridiculous. I would rather go to hell than go to heaven knowing that my loved ones are burning in hell anyway. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 14 2014, 04:08 AM Post #10 |
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I agree with Fan Girl. Not to mention that sending people to a place of eternal suffering is the thing that's truly evil. With all this thought about God and Satan, on one hand, you have a being who says that he's all powerful, and forbids you to question it. If you question it, or don't worship him exactly in the way that he specifies, he sends you to a place of eternal torture that he (himself) created. On the other hand, you have the one who tempts you to refuse that view, and learn for yourself the truths of the Universe and the World. Satan in the Bible killed less people than God ever did. Satan is the enemy of God, not man, and Satan tempts you with knowledge, which is the enemy of God, because knowledge makes him look smaller. With this in mind, you really have to sit and wonder about who the evil one of the two actually is. Do you blindly follow the one who says that he is the true power of the universe, or do you follow the one who dares you to find out for yourself? Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 14 2014, 04:21 AM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 14 2014, 04:17 AM Post #11 |
 
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You don't have to be a saint to go to heaven. Having faith and being a good person will get you to heaven. If you want to talk about Christianity, then you need to believe in Jesus also. You don't have to be a perfect being to get to heaven because no one is perfect except god As for having a heaven and hell vs reincarnation, idk which I prefer |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 14 2014, 04:24 AM Post #12 |
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To be entirely honest, they're pretty much the same concept. Even reincarnation showcases the idea of an eternal existence, with what comes after death it is directly influenced by your actions in the here and now. The only real difference is that in Christianity, you get one shot. If you blow it, that's it. However, the problem with the Christian religion is that it's often cherry picked. Few people realize that Allah, Yaweh, and the Christian God are all the same one, and in Christianity, Jesus never said that the old rules didn't apply. The only difference between these three versions of God is the world view on him. I don't have a problem with people who believe in a god, I just believe that writing down specifics about worshipping that God is insane, and it's even worse if people believe this same stuff now considering that this knowledge expressed in scripture is so obviously out-of-date. In my opinion, people just are so stubborn in their beliefs that they aren't willing to admit that what they have read may indeed be wrong. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 14 2014, 04:33 AM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 14 2014, 04:33 AM Post #13 |
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Jesus said false prophets will come. Not sure about the actual god being the same or different for each religion |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 14 2014, 04:42 AM Post #14 |
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Yeweh is the God from the Hebrew Bible, or the Old Testament as it's known in Christianity. "The Old Testament" and the Hebrew Bible are the same thing, just known as different to separate old world beliefs from Jesus's teachings. Allah is Yeweh, because Mohammad was descended from Issac, who was Abraham's second son. And yes, this is the exact same Abraham from the Bible. Except his name in both the Hebrew Bible and the Quaran are both spelled Ibraham. Jesus simply said that he was there to fullfill the old rules, he never stated that they no longer applied. So it's still a sin to eat shellfish, wear two different types of fabrics, work on the sabbath, plant two different crops in the field with each other, marry a woman who isn't a virgin, etc. etc. etc... Jesus did indeed preach love and understanding, but he did indeed say that the old rules were still valid. |
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| Tonneh | May 14 2014, 04:44 AM Post #15 |
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Do you follow a religion out of curiousity Assassin? |
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