How strong is SSJ Vegeta to Lazuli

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How strong is SSJ Vegeta to Lazuli
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+ Clearin	May 13 2014, 01:30 AM Post #31
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	StrawHatCrew May 13 2014, 01:26 AM I think, you'd be twisting statements just so that #17 could be a lot stronger than #18. #16's line is clear enough for me to say they are both around the same tier. Why would I twist statements to make #17 a lot stronger than #18? I already said I don't care either way. #16's line is ambiguous at best as to whether he means both of them separately or both of them together. #17's line is a 100% direct comparison between himself and everyone whose power he currently knows - which includes #18. Like I said, a direct statement of #17 saying #18 doesn't rival him, which went un-contradicted, and the terrible logic behind Dr Gero making #18 a bit weaker is much better evidence than a vague line, in my opinion. That's all I have to say.



~~StrawHatCrew~~	May 13 2014, 01:36 AM Post #32
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	How is #16's line vague, he clearly states 1 of the powers rival the both of them. What else could rival possibly mean here other than a comparison of power? A comparison of how much a threat they are or what? Let's #17 is much stronger than #18 then why would AT write it as rivalling them both,? Theyhave to be close to each other for the statement to work. Edited by StrawHatCrew, May 13 2014, 01:36 AM.



+ Clearin	May 13 2014, 01:38 AM Post #33
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	StrawHatCrew May 13 2014, 01:36 AM How is #16's line vague, he clearly states 1 of the powers rival the both of them. What else could rival possibly mean here other than a comparison of power? A comparison of how much a threat they are or what? Let's #17 is much stronger than #18 then why would AT write it as rivalling them both they have to be close to each other for the statement to work. I've already said exactly what I think on this. My own personal opinion is that he isn't saying Piccolo's power rivals Android 17, and Android 18 in a separate sense, but rather he rivals both Androids together, because they are both a grouped together and considered a single threat to the Z fighters. I'm going to stop replying now because I'm just repeating myself.



WarriorRace	May 13 2014, 02:05 AM Post #34
Posts: 206 Group: Member Member #10,910 Joined: February 20, 2014 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I think there’s 2 ways to interpret 16’s statement. First is that Piccolo rivals 17 and 18 individually so they’re close in power. Second is that Piccolo rivals them as a group. But I think this would mean that 17 and 18’s power combined rivals Piccolo alone which means 17 wouldn’t be able to fight Piccolo equally they would both have to team up. But we know that Piccolo and 17 are pretty much equal, so I think the first interpretation should be used and that 18 is close to 17’s power.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	May 13 2014, 02:28 AM Post #35
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	mebe but all 18 is a supressed version of 17 the gap is not likely 10%, there would be literally no point in that should be closer to 25-50% + or whats the point? having a droid marginally weaker just means its going to obey just as much as the other imo about the suppressed part: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8971139&t=8466377 Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, May 13 2014, 03:13 AM.



SSJ	May 13 2014, 02:31 AM Post #36
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	That conjecture is still inconclusive ^



+ Havoc_Wreaker	May 13 2014, 03:14 AM Post #37
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	WOW what isnt conjecture. its plain and simple logic, what is the diff between a droid whos 10 % weaker, please do tell me? ill stop u its conjecture, dont give me that stuff man. its only reasonable, that there has to be a noticeable gap for any of it to make sense. or there the same droid then, but thats not the case we know 18 is suppressed and that 17 is undoubtedly the strongest of the two stated by himeself we know gero wanted for 18 to listen more, so there has to be a gap or what is the point of all these FACTS?



SSJ	May 13 2014, 03:19 AM Post #38
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I don't see how your random numbers aren't conjecture? If she is a suppressed version it could literally be by any amount. Nobody can specify by how much she is suppressed. And yes, I do think that 10% is a large suppression, very large indeed.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	May 13 2014, 03:21 AM Post #39
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	ur not getting it though, what is the point of only 10 % suppression thats not a big enough gap to actually make a big diff and for droid 18 to listen more so 10% is not feasible at all just read 17 and 18's bio and u should be able to tell theres a noticable gap see how 17's emphasis was ''too much power'' while 18 is a suppressed but not enough to listen seems she was brought down a fair amount Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, May 13 2014, 03:27 AM.



SSJ	May 13 2014, 03:34 AM Post #40
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	You have a point but I can't just ignore 16's power statement, especially with how accurate he was proven to be. While I can agree that 18 was decently lower than 17, I still think that she was rivalling Piccolo. Weighted Piccolo: 85 Piccolo: 100 17: 100 18: 80 I will consider that 18 rivals weighted Piccolo instead of FP Piccolo.



+ Clearin	May 13 2014, 10:32 AM Post #41
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	That's a good point, I didn't take into account that Piccolo was weighted at the time.



Alex D. Boss	May 13 2014, 10:05 PM Post #42
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	xGOKUdaFALLENx May 12 2014, 11:09 PM During the Android arc Vegeta was not really inferior to #18 but after he wasted ki on the door and two Big Bang (weaker versions) he still spent a lot of ki and add on to the fact that #18 was taunting Vegeta into fighting even more harder to get him to waste his ki even faster. And after #18 says they'll get serious a slightly more fatigue Vegeta, he still manages his own a little. So I look at it like this: SSJ Vegeta (Fresh) > Lazuli (#18) >>/~ SSJ Vegeta (wasted ki) This is beyond a*** lol. No disrespect , no offense , im only refering to the argument he posted , but this is absolutely madness. We saw Vegeta getting stomped by 18 , 18 didn't even used her full effort on Vegeta.



+ Solid Snake	May 13 2014, 10:08 PM Post #43
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Alex KloonBoss May 13 2014, 10:05 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx May 12 2014, 11:09 PM During the Android arc Vegeta was not really inferior to #18 but after he wasted ki on the door and two Big Bang (weaker versions) he still spent a lot of ki and add on to the fact that #18 was taunting Vegeta into fighting even more harder to get him to waste his ki even faster. And after #18 says they'll get serious a slightly more fatigue Vegeta, he still manages his own a little. So I look at it like this: SSJ Vegeta (Fresh) > Lazuli (#18) >>/~ SSJ Vegeta (wasted ki) This is beyond a*** lol. No disrespect , no offense , im only refering to the argument he posted , but this is absolutely madness. We saw Vegeta getting stomped by 18 , 18 didn't even used her full effort on Vegeta. I didn't realize the later quotes suggested otherwise when I made this topic.
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Alex D. Boss	May 13 2014, 10:10 PM Post #44
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	xGOKUdaFALLENx May 13 2014, 10:08 PM Alex KloonBoss May 13 2014, 10:05 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx May 12 2014, 11:09 PM During the Android arc Vegeta was not really inferior to #18 but after he wasted ki on the door and two Big Bang (weaker versions) he still spent a lot of ki and add on to the fact that #18 was taunting Vegeta into fighting even more harder to get him to waste his ki even faster. And after #18 says they'll get serious a slightly more fatigue Vegeta, he still manages his own a little. So I look at it like this: SSJ Vegeta (Fresh) > Lazuli (#18) >>/~ SSJ Vegeta (wasted ki) This is beyond a*** lol. No disrespect , no offense , im only refering to the argument he posted , but this is absolutely madness. We saw Vegeta getting stomped by 18 , 18 didn't even used her full effort on Vegeta. I didn't realize the later quotes suggested otherwise when I made this topic. I read it. You have my respect. Peace bro.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	May 13 2014, 10:15 PM Post #45
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	fair enough i can see a bigger gap but 20% is close enough to my made up gap range



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